End of Game Clock- Rule vs GM

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

See APG's response above...I didn't question it.

Rhetrical question: How can a college supervisor apply and NBA/WNBA rule to the college game?

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rhetrical question: How can a college supervisor apply and NBA/WNBA rule to the college game?

MTD, Sr.

Rhetorical answer.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Rhetorical answer.

Rhetrical*

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Rhetorical answer.

Ad hominem retort.

Originally Posted by Adam

Ad hominem retort.

Fallacious reasoning referencing a decade-old rules interpretation!

[biggravy]

In that spot, without definitive knowledge, we are playing on. Also, I quickly decide we do not have definitive knowledge so the ball is quickly getting put back in play.

In your 6:25 sitch, same thing. We are rolling on.

In your two point left sitch, again, without definitive knowledge, we are playing on. Maybe I am taking game management to an OCD level but with less than a minute left in a close game I am counting one one thousand two one thousand on a touch like that. What if the ball is tipped on the throw in away from all the players and clearly three or four seconds elapse before the ball goes out of bounds way down the court? That is why I am counting.

[bob jenkins]

See this FED interp from 2009-2010 (emphasis added):

SITUATION 11: Team B scores a goal to take the lead by one point. A1 immediately requests and is granted a timeout with three seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. Following the time-out, Team A is awarded the ball for a throw-in from anywhere along the end line. A1 passes the ball to A2, who is also outside the boundary; A2 passes the ball to A1 who is inbounds and running the length of the court. The timer mistakenly starts the clock when A2 touches A1’s pass while standing outside the boundary. An official notices the clock starting on A2’s touch (a), before A2 releases the throw-in pass to A1, (b), while A2’s throw-in pass is in flight to A1, or (c), as soon as A1 catches the throw-in pass. RULING: This is an obvious timing mistake and may be corrected. In (a) and (b), the official shall blow the whistle, stop play and direct the timer to put three seconds on the game clock. Since the throw-in had not ended, play is resumed with a Team A throw-in from anywhere along the end line. In (c), the official may put the correct time on the clock, but must make some allowance for the touching by A1 – likely 10ths of a second, if displayed. The ball is put in play nearest to where it was located when the stoppage occurred to correct the timing mistake. A “do over” is not permitted in (c), since the throw-in had ended. (4-36; 5-10-1)

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See this FED interp from 2009-2010 (emphasis added):

A “do over” is not permitted in (c), since the throw-in had ended. (4-36; 5-10-1)

Therefore, since the throw in ended with V1 touch, and no definite knowledge the correct answerer to the OP is 1. That is the path we took, but it was a good discussion on the way home.

[wyo96]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See this FED interp from 2009-2010 (emphasis added):

In (c), the official may put the correct time on the clock, but must make some allowance for the touching by A1 – likely 10ths of a second, if displayed. The ball is put in play nearest to where it was located when the stoppage occurred to correct the timing mistake. A “do over” is not permitted in (c), since the throw-in had ended. (4-36; 5-10-1)

Opps, on the first read I thought it said "may" in both cases. Bob do you think the interp supports taking some time off the clock in the OP without definite knowledge?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

See this FED interp from 2009-2010 (emphasis added):

Good find. I was in the "no definite knowledge" camp until I read this. That case play sold me.

My greater wonder now is why the NFHS removed this from their case book? I'll bet they were concerned that officials' manipulation of the clock was being interpreted too liberally.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Rhetorical answer.

I corrected the spelling and added a P.S. LOL!

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rhetrical question: How can a college supervisor apply and NBA/WNBA rule to the college game?

MTD, Sr.

I think you'll have to ask his supervisor on that one Mark.