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1. the dribble rule does not begin to come into play in this example because the ball has not been pushed/batted etc to the floor--cannot be "during dribble." cannot be a violation under that rule. 2. if it's anything it would have to be a travel. the closest thing we have to it is the play where i pass the ball up and go run under an catch it. moving 5 feet etc. that is travel. in reality, in a live game, i don't think I'm going to see a player bobbling/tipping the ball in such a controlled manner that i am going to even consider travel. a player can intend to bat the ball but it might go 1 foot one time and 2 feet the next…moving left and right. just because he intends to bat/bobble the ball doesn't make me think anything is wrong. (oxymoron as you say) 3. in the hypothetical world--if you pass me the ball over my head and i tip it up--and then, because of tip drill nightmares, i start walking down the floor with arms raised tipping the ball 4 to 6 inches over my head--never catching it, then I'm going to think about travel. the player is never holding the ball so i can see not calling travel. however, he is moving from point A to point B similar to passing it to himself. as i said, i havnt seen yet and don't think i will see batting/tipping so controlled and for a period long enough to make me think travel. |
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This can't in any way be considered a fumble because he threw it into the air, as opposed to an "accidental loss of control."
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NFHS history lesson: the air dribble = deliberately batting the ball into the air repeatedly while moving down the court.
Adam has been correct throughout this thread. The BigCat should listen to him. I've posted about the "air dribble" on this forum before. It was removed back in the 80s, I believe. Consult the NFHS Handbook for the exact year. At the present time a dribble must be pushed to the floor before the player may touch the ball again. This is how the NFHS made the air dribble illegal. If the ball is not permitted to strike the floor, then the action has not met the definition of a dribble and is BY DEFINITION an illegal dribble. This action is not a travel. The Case Play mentioned by Bob is 4.15.4 Sit D. Notice that it is back in the section entitled "Dribble - Legal and Illegal Movement." |
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Longhorn then shifted the thred and i figured it out…and acknowledged that this OP was likely an illegal dribble as Adam originally said. i came to the conclusion that a dribble really starts when the ball is released or intentionally batted. if you hit it again before it hits the ground --illegal dribble in violation 4-15-2. if you run and catch it in air before hits it is travel. sometimes you have to wait and see what happens next before you know if the original bat/throw is part of a dribble or pass. As far as listening to Adam goes, that's good advice IF you mean i should consider/think about hard/discuss seriously what he says. i think i did that..and try to do it with everyone. if however, you mean i should accept what he or anyone says blindly without thought/discussion that's bad advice. Last edited by BigCat; Fri Dec 19, 2014 at 11:46am. |
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