Wofford/NC State–Gottfried technical foul (Video)

[IUgrad92]

As it is being determined that it would be in the best interest for police officers to wear body cams for sake of recording incidents and transparency, I would like to see microphone/recorders inserted into the precision timing devices that the officials wear. Record everything.....

Gottfried says he didn't use profanity prior to the T, everyone here is assuming that he must have used some magic words. Who's ever going to really know what happened and what was said?

Having recordings that conference assignors and university administration can go back, listen to and review could allow them to target and clean-up whichever side of the aisle needs it.

[APG]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Gottfried says he didn't use profanity prior to the T, everyone here is assuming that he must have used some magic words. Who's ever going to really know what happened and what was said?

And if he didn't use profanity...so what? His overt actions of slapping down on his hand like he did in displeasure for the call was enough in itself to get a T.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by APG

And if he didn't use profanity...so what? His overt actions of slapping down on his hand like he did in displeasure for the call was enough in itself to get a T.

If there was no profanity, my opinion is that what was done did not warrant the technical. Instead, especially with the past history and being his first game back in 3 years, why not have a 5 second conversation with the coach, tell him that's enough, and give a warning. 4 minutes into the game, optically speaking and perceptually, just looks bad and looks like Hess flat out has something against someone or something.

Maybe it was deserved, but it is truly unfortunate he had to be the one on the sideline at that time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

If there was no profanity, my opinion is that what was done did not warrant the technical. Instead, especially with the past history and being his first game back in 3 years, why not have a 5 second conversation with the coach, tell him that's enough, and give a warning. 4 minutes into the game, optically speaking and perceptually, just looks bad and looks like Hess flat out has something against someone or something.

Maybe it was deserved, but it is truly unfortunate he had to be the one on the sideline at that time.

And you would be fired from even some lower level leagues if you only needed profanity to give a T. For the record at college games, we hear profanity all the time and do not penalize based off of profanity.

Since you are so concerned about when Hess was last there (not like this is a basketball mecca), I am sure Hess' schedule will be just fine not going back in the next 10 years.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And you would be fired from even some lower level leagues if you only needed profanity to give a T. For the record at college games, we hear profanity all the time and do not penalize based off of profanity.

Since you are so concerned about when Hess was last there (not like this is a basketball mecca), I am sure Hess' schedule will be just fine not going back in the next 10 years.

Peace

Then I humbly request that every time I used the word profanity please replace it with 'magic words'.

That way maybe we can get past the 'small picture' and get back to the broader point(s) I was making.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Then I humbly request that every time I used the word profanity please replace it with 'magic words'.

That way maybe we can get past the 'small picture' and get back to the broader point(s) I was making.....

You're the one who contradicted the "magic words" theory with the coach's denial that he used profanity.

Years ago, a man ran a red light and broadsided my wife's car. He challenged the ticket in court and kept insisting that he wasn't speeding.

The defense doesn't make sense in light of the charges. NCSU fans are deluding themselves if they think Hess even cares enough to be out to get them.

At that level, profanity is neither required nor sufficient for a technical foul.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Then I humbly request that every time I used the word profanity please replace it with 'magic words'.

That way maybe we can get past the 'small picture' and get back to the broader point(s) I was making.....

You mentioned that I referenced profanity when I did no such thing. I said "magic words."

And even if he did not use profanity, who gives a darn? I have given a coach a T in college and did not use profanity and I never was told he should have used profanity to get a T by anyone. There is no "profanity only" rule in college basketball. At least not where I work and I doubt seriously at that level as well with all the video. Heck the NCAA has made a big deal about coaches boxes and different times.

If you want to get back to the bigger picture, then stop trying to tell us some standard that has never been stated by the NCAA or conference assignors. And an official like Hess I bet knows exactly what he can do and cannot do. He did not get to where he is based on listening to people here on what is appropriate.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

As it is being determined that it would be in the best interest for police officers to wear body cams for sake of recording incidents and transparency, I would like to see microphone/recorders inserted into the precision timing devices that the officials wear. Record everything.....

Gottfried says he didn't use profanity prior to the T, everyone here is assuming that he must have used some magic words. Who's ever going to really know what happened and what was said?

Having recordings that conference assignors and university administration can go back, listen to and review could allow them to target and clean-up whichever side of the aisle needs it.

I did not realize that profanity was the only reason to give a T for unsporting behavior.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not realize that profanity was the only reason to give a T for unsporting behavior.

Peace

That was your reasoning, not mine, in your first response to the OP.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

That was your reasoning, not mine, in your first response to the OP.

I actually said, "magic words" might have been used. That is not necessarily profanity. The coach could have said, "You........" and then followed it with other words.

Do not try to twist this discussion. There are a lot of reasons coaches get Ts and often it is not what they say, but what they do.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

As it is being determined that it would be in the best interest for police officers to wear body cams for sake of recording incidents and transparency, I would like to see microphone/recorders inserted into the precision timing devices that the officials wear. Record everything.....

Gottfried says he didn't use profanity prior to the T, everyone here is assuming that he must have used some magic words. Who's ever going to really know what happened and what was said?
....

Wrong, not everybody here is assuming that:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Gottfried says "That's bullsh!t Karl, I was just talking to you" after he gets the T.

Well, what I see is a coach talking while demonstratively clapping his hands. That's not "just talking" in my book.

Where is it written T's are only for cursing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

As it is being determined that it would be in the best interest for police officers to wear body cams for sake of recording incidents and transparency, I would like to see microphone/recorders inserted into the precision timing devices that the officials wear. Record everything.....

Gottfried says he didn't use profanity prior to the T, everyone here is assuming that he must have used some magic words. Who's ever going to really know what happened and what was said?

Having recordings that conference assignors and university administration can go back, listen to and review could allow them to target and clean-up whichever side of the aisle needs it.

1. The comparison is not valid. No one is going to jail over a technical foul.

2. These are not contradictory. One can use magic words without using profanity.

3. It's not our business what was said, I'm sure it's in Hess' report to Adams.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. The comparison is not valid. No one is going to jail over a technical foul.

2. These are not contradictory. One can use magic words without using profanity.

3. It's not our business what was said, I'm sure it's in Hess' report to Adams.

I agree with everything, but I doubt he reports to Adams, he reports to the supervisor of the conference. And I am sure that the situation was addressed in a report like all games at that level likely require.

Peace

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by Adam

1. The comparison is not valid. No one is going to jail over a technical foul.

2. These are not contradictory. One can use magic words without using profanity.

3. It's not our business what was said, I'm sure it's in Hess' report to Adams.

1. The comparison is that there are conflicting sides of what happened. Video and/or audio can, in a lot of cases, determine which side is more truthful.

2. What is in Hess' report is Hess' version of what happened. And if Gottfrieds' report of what happened is totally opposite, then what?

I never said it was OUR business. I believe I said it would be something that could be used by conference assignors and school administration. Nobody should have anything to hide. Why would this be such a big deal?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

1. The comparison is that there are conflicting sides of what happened. Video and/or audio can, in a lot of cases, determine which side is more truthful.

2. What is in Hess' report is Hess' version of what happened. And if Gottfrieds' report of what happened is totally opposite, then what?

I never said it was OUR business. I believe I said it would be something that could be used by conference assignors and school administration. Nobody should have anything to hide. Why would this be such a big deal?

What can't be disputed is that Gottfried was demonstratedly clapping his hands together, an aspect you have failed to address.