Apparel questions.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Context is everything. Remember that most of us have been officiating since before the wearing of these items became popular and have seen the full development of the rules regarding them. We know what they were written to address and what the intent is. Someone such as yourself who is new to the scene doesn't have that perspective and must strive to learn solely from the written text, which is difficult, or augment your training by speaking to veterans, such as you have been doing here.

Please open your NFHS rules book to page 8 and read the section entitled "The Intent and Purpose of the Rules." One sentence is, "Therefore, it is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that it may be intelligently applied in each play situation."

We hope to offer you that here.

That makes perfect sense to me. IMO the intent of the rule is all sleeves match to avoid confusion. Therefore it seems to me even though it is an undershirt the sleeves should match the other players but as been previously pointed out by other posters the NFHS isn't always logical.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

That makes perfect sense to me. IMO the rule of all sleeves matching is to avoided confusion. Therefore it seems to me even though it is an undershirt the sleeves should match the other players but as been previously pointed out by other posters the NFHS isn't always logical.

Undeshirt colors do have to match for all team members. And they have to match the jersey color.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

That makes perfect sense to me. IMO the intent of the rule is all sleeves match to avoid confusion. Therefore it seems to me even though it is an undershirt the sleeves should match the other players but as been previously pointed out by other posters the NFHS isn't always logical.

Huh?? Did you really just say that?

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Huh?? Did you really just say that?

Peace

I did. What do you think the intent of the rule is? I feel they want all sleeves matching to avoid confusion as was pointed out by another poster earlier. Therefore it would stand to reason they want all sleeves, including undershirt long sleeves, to match not just the ones that are not attached to something else.

If they truly think different color sleeves could cause confusion, which I feel to be a silly notion, then why would a different color sleeve not cause confusion just bc it is attached to something else?

Either way I think this has run its course. It was pointed out it was legal. I feel the case could be made for which it is illegal. Others disagree. Game over.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I did. What do you think the intent of the rule is? I feel they want all sleeves matching to avoid confusion as was pointed out by another poster earlier. Therefore it would stand to reason they want all sleeves, including undershirt long sleeves, to match not just the ones that are not attached to something else.

I do not have to think what the intent of the rule is, I was officiating long before the rule was in place. And this rule has been tweaked several times over when it comes to color and these types of items. The rule for undershirts was long before these accessory items that were started by Allen Iverson to be popularized. So no, it would not stand to reason that any undershirt item has anything to do with an arm sleeve. Even full length tights have little or nothing to do with leg sleeves. For a long time these items were worn and there is no restriction of what color they were or even if they had a logo or how many different type of items could be worn.

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

If they truly think different color sleeves could cause confusion, which I feel to be a silly notion, then why would a different color sleeve not cause confusion just bc it is attached to something else?

Who said the rule was created for confusion? The rule was created to have uniformity in items. Not sure how different colors of a head band or a sleeve causes confusion.

Peace

[Raymond]

The "yay but" mentality will not serve you well in this avocation.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The "yay but" mentality will not serve you well in this avocation.

Thank you for your advise.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Thank you for your advise.

Yeah....but......

Peace

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not have to think what the intent of the rule is, I was officiating long before the rule was in place. And this rule has been tweaked several times over when it comes to color and these types of items. The rule for undershirts was long before these accessory items that were started by Allen Iverson to be popularized. So no, it would not stand to reason that any undershirt item has anything to do with an arm sleeve. Even full length tights have little or nothing to do with leg sleeves. For a long time these items were worn and there is no restriction of what color they were or even if they had a logo or how many different type of items could be worn.



Who said the rule was created for confusion? The rule was created to have uniformity in items. Not sure how different colors of a head band or a sleeve causes confusion.

Peace

If not to avoid confusion then why do we need uniformity. Is it merely for aesthetic reasons? I was told I needed to understand the intent of the rule. That is what I'm trying to do.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

If not to avoid confusion then why do we need uniformity. Is it merely for aesthetic reasons? I was told I needed to understand the intent of the rule. That is what I'm trying to do.

Yes, it is aesthetic reasons. It has nothing to do with confusing one team for another. They wear uniforms, and want everyone to be the same.

I have a friend who has a daughter playing college basketball. She and another girl had a lighter, more flourscent colored blue socks on than the rest of the team. The officials made them change their socks to match the rest of the team.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I have a friend who has a daughter playing college basketball. She and another girl had a lighter, more flourscent colored blue socks on than the rest of the team. The officials made them change their socks to match the rest of the team.

That's beyond the scope of an official's duties in NCAAW.