Apparel questions.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I seen that but I don't think it is that clear cut.

3-5-3a states anything worn on the arm is a sleeve and shall meet the color requirements
3-5-3c states all sleeves shall be the same color.

Seems that it could possibly be reasoned that the sleeves of an undershirt would follow under these two rules as the sleeves of an undershirt would follow under the "anything" part.

However also the sleeves are part of an undershirt so it would be logical that they would have to meet those requirements including the predominant color of the jersey.
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It is that clear cut. And if you don't think it is that clear cut from the very clear answer I gave, what answer do you think is going to bring anymore clarity?

Rule 3-5-3 specifically says "Arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves and tights are permissible:" Arm sleeves are a separate piece of equipment, they are not a part of a t-shirt or undershirt.

Rule 3-5-6 specifically talks about undershirts, which is a single item that has to be a single, solid color. If the home team was wearing a white t-shirt that had black sleeves, then that is not a single color, it's multiple colors.

T-shirts and arm sleeves are 2 separate rules and 2 separate items of equipment.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It is that clear cut. And if you don't think it is that clear cut from the very clear answer I gave, what answer do you think is going to bring anymore clarity?

Rule 3-5-3 specifically says "Arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves and tights are permissible:" Arm sleeves are a separate piece of equipment, they are not a part of a t-shirt or undershirt.

Rule 3-5-6 specifically talks about undershirts, which is a single item that has to be a single, solid color. If the home team was wearing a white t-shirt that had black sleeves, then that is not a single color, it's multiple colors.

T-shirts and arm sleeves are 2 separate rules and 2 separate items of equipment.

The part in which I believe causing some ambiguity is in rule 3-5-3a that states "anything that is worn on the arm and/or leg us a sleeve, except a knee brace, and shall meet the color restrictions."

The rule says "anything." No where in there does it say except if attached to an undershirt. No where does it say that the undershirt rule takes priority over this rule. That is why I say it isn't clear cut.

Even in the undershirt rule is uses the word sleeves to define sleeves on a shirt. Also per the definition of sleeves as being anything worn on the arm. I feel it is reasonable that some could conclude that if a player had a blue undershirt with long blue sleeves on that all other players sleeves must match.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

The part in which I believe causing some ambiguity is in rule 3-5-3a that states "anything that is worn on the arm and/or leg us a sleeve, except a knee brace, and shall meet the color restrictions."

The rule says "anything." No where in there does it say except if attached to an undershirt. No where does it say that the undershirt rule takes priority over this rule. That is why I say it isn't clear cut.

Even in the undershirt rule is uses the word sleeves to define sleeves on a shirt. Also per the definition of sleeves as being anything worn on the arm. I feel it is reasonable that some could conclude that if a player had a blue undershirt with long blue sleeves on that all other players sleeves must match.

You're making this way harder than it is. The "anything worn on the arm is a sleeve" deals only with the Allan Iverson shooting sleeves, and the compression sleeves that have the elbow pad in them. An undershirt with sleeves simply means a long sleeve shirt. It isn't hard to understand.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by OKREF

You're making this way harder than it is. The "anything worn on the arm is a sleeve" deals only with the Allan Iverson shooting sleeves, and the compression sleeves that have the elbow pad in them. An undershirt with sleeves simply means a long sleeve shirt. It isn't hard to understand.

Nice tone Guess the word anything means only somethings.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Nice tone Guess the word anything means only somethings.

Shirts are not worn on the arm. They are worn on the body with parts that extend down the arms.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Shirts are not worn on the arm. They are worn on the body with parts that extend down the arms.

What are the parts that extend down the arms called if not sleeves?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

What are the parts that extend down the arms called if not sleeves?

Do you think that a wrist band is a sleeve because it is worn on the arm? What colors are permissible for wrist bands? Do they have to match sleeves?

There is an NFHS Case Book play that provides these answers for you.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

What are the parts that extend down the arms called if not sleeves?

Shirts.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Nice tone Guess the word anything means only somethings.

Rules need to be read in context. Not taken in isolation. And, yes, there are instances where the rules could be worded better. COntinuing to argue / discuss it it pointless.

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Rules need to be read in context. Not taken in isolation. And, yes, there are instances where the rules could be worded better. COntinuing to argue / discuss it it pointless.

I agree and I completely see the other side as well.
Why do you think there is a rule that they all need to match? Is it really likely someone would pass to an opponent bc of the color of their sleeve. I feel that is unlikely. I was only shocked that no one could think that they wasn't all sleeves to match no matter whether they are attached to an undershirt or not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Why do you think there is a rule that they all need to match? Is it really likely someone would pass to an opponent bc of the color of their sleeve. I feel that is unlikely..

Disagree. During scrimmages, where we take a pass on many Fashion Police rules (for same reason, Connecticut teams almost never wear uniforms for scrimmages, they usually wear reversible vests that they probably wear at practice), I have had difficulty identifying teammates, and opponents, on rebounding fouls when a player wearing a blue jersey, with a white undershirt, is contesting a rebound with a player with a white jersey. It's lot easier when they are wearing legal colors. A lot easier.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Is it really likely someone would pass to an opponent bc of the color of their sleeve. .

Yes, if the color was only seen with the peripheral vision. See Georgetown v. North Carolina, 1982 (maybe?)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Allan Iverson shooting sleeves ...An undershirt .

Love the Allan Iverson reference. Also, it's Patrick Ewing undershirts.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Love the Allan Iverson reference. Also, it's Patrick Ewing undershirts.

Right on. Started the craze when he was at Georgetown.