Video plays from Gonzaga at AZ overtime (Video)

[JetMetFan]

Here are the plays...

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Couple of charging calls, one against each team (the second was near 2:45 remaining)

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

and the whistle by Deldre Carr on the 3pt attempt with 3.3 left.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Deldre's illegal dribble call with about twenty seconds left.

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

The no-call on the final play in regulation.

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

They also missed a backcourt violation. Gonzaga deflected it away from AZ, towards half-court, but the AZ player retrieved the ball in the backcourt...touching the ball before it hit in the backcourt and before he stepped in the backcourt.

Can't help you on this one without a time.

[JRutledge]

Video #1: First play is a charge. The player got LGP and got "set" right before the player went up.

The second play was clearly a charge for the same basic reason.

Video #2: It is really hard to tell where the contact came from. It might have been on the upward arm motion and then the player raised his hands where at that time there was no contact.

Video #3: That is not a double dribble. The ball was batted away and then controlled. A dribble has to be a controlled act. It is a judgment call, but IMO it was not a dribble on the first bat of this play.

Video #4: This should have been a foul. I guess the only issue is if he had contacted the ball to make it a shooting foul. And as a philosophy I would have considered this a shooting foul for the most part.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Good charge calls. Defender got into the path, facing, with both feet down before the shooter left the floor in both.

Shooting foul, possible, hard to tell from video.

Double dribble. Looked like a controlled action on the first touch....making the 2nd action an illegal dribble.

Looked like a foul to me. White definitely displaced green having come from behind and green had a good chance of being able to catch and shoot that ball.

[Welpe]

I have PC on both of those but I think the second one is pretty close. Would anybody call the travel in the second PC play?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I have PC on both of those but I think the second one is pretty close. Would anybody call the travel in the second PC play?

I see nothing close to a travel on that play.

[mutantducky]

thanks for the vids.
good calls by the refs especially the charging call on the fast-break.
Three point call looks wrong but we can't tell from here, there may have been contact.
I thought it was a double dribble because the first contact looked liket it was controlled but that was a call I saw live and I thought refs would differ on it.

For me the main missed call was the rebounding one. I was watching the game and it seemed like the refs were looking at each other for someone to make the call. All three of them could have made the call but no one stepped up to do it. The game was very well-officiated but that was an obvious miss.

Gonzaga weird subbing and defensive lapses cost them the game that they probably should have won.

[walt]

PCs to me. Tough video but I don;t see a foul on the second one. I am ok with the double dribble (judgment as to whether first bat to the floor was the first dribble or did he just make contact with a passed ball). Last one, I have a foul not on the player from behind but on the guard for backing into the legs of the middle guy. Any way you look at it, the guy in the middle got fouled IMHO.

[Tio]

The 3 point shot was simply not a foul. I don't even think there was contact.

The learning here is that the trail is caught behind the play and does not have an open look. He tries to position adjust, but is too late and guesses based on the reaction of the offensive player and the flight of the ball. We must have an open look on this play - especially with the clock winding down and no doubt that the player with the ball is going to shoot.

Luckily, the old adage that "the ball doesn't lie" prevailed here. Had Gonzaga won this game it would be an absolute firestorm.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Tio

The 3 point shot was simply not a foul. I don't even think there was contact.

The learning here is that the trail is caught behind the play and does not have an open look. He tries to position adjust, but is too late and guesses based on the reaction of the offensive player and the flight of the ball. We must have an open look on this play - especially with the clock winding down and no doubt that the player with the ball is going to shoot.

Luckily, the old adage that "the ball doesn't lie" prevailed here. Had Gonzaga won this game it would be an absolute firestorm.

If I were a betting man, I would say the defender has his hand in "proverbial" cookie jar...he had his arm extended out in front of him and the shooter caught the arm as he was starting his upward motion with the ball. This is not unlike the rip through move seen more frequently in the NBA...so much so that they changed their interpretation on when a player was in the act of shooting on plays like this.

[Tio]

As an official, hopefully you aren't a betting man. :>

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Tio

The 3 point shot was simply not a foul. I don't even think there was contact.

The learning here is that the trail is caught behind the play and does not have an open look. He tries to position adjust, but is too late and guesses based on the reaction of the offensive player and the flight of the ball. We must have an open look on this play - especially with the clock winding down and no doubt that the player with the ball is going to shoot.
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He does have an open look. He actually moved because there was a player in his way at first.