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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 02:50pm
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Illegal Screen? (video)

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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 02:55pm
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54 white turns in to go to hole and delivers a blow. good call.

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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 03:12pm
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Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 03:31pm
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Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.
I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 03:44pm
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Really hard to tell.

I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 06:08pm
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I am not seeing a foul. Now maybe that is because of the angle or the darkness it is hard to distinguish the background from the players on the court, but I do not see a foul here. I see a bigger player running into a wall. Now if the arms extended, I have a foul. But it does not look that way based on the quality of the video.

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I agree. This was a legal screen. It looked bad to the fans and coaches who are not versed in the rules of the game because the defender was small and bounced off the screener like a rubber ball thrown against a brick wall. But I believe the screener was penalized for being much bigger than the screenee.

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Old Sat Dec 06, 2014, 04:29am
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I've heard some suggest that the L doesn't need to come over until the ball gets lower (below the FT line) if there is no post action on that side.

Either way, the right call was made by the right person from approximately the right location regardless of whether they were T or C.
There's a halfcourt trap developing. The L should get across so the C can officiate this as the T.

Frankly, it looks bad, but the quality of video is lacking.
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Old Sat Dec 06, 2014, 09:17am
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There's a halfcourt trap developing. The L should get across so the C can officiate this as the T.
Wouldn't matter. Even if the Lead is coming across I don't see a good Center official bailing out from FTLE before this play develops. The Lead should probably be going across when he sees the play come down C's side, but C should be able to referee a 1 on 1 matchup with a screener pretty easily.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 05:03pm
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Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

Coach might get stuck for that little antic, depending....
The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
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(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.
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Old Sat Dec 06, 2014, 04:35am
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The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
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(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.
You can tell the L hadn't rotated by the where the L eventually enters the frame....from an angle not on the same side as the foul.
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Old Sat Dec 06, 2014, 04:43am
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You can tell the L hadn't rotated by the where the L eventually enters the frame....from an angle not on the same side as the foul.
It just tells me the L isn't actively looking to rotate to get the crew in the best possible configuration. Why work 3-person if you're going to have only one official ballside?
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Old Sun Dec 07, 2014, 11:05am
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Why hadn't lead rotated over on this one? No reason to have that call made as C.

Good call.

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The L isn't in the shot when the call gets made... it's possible that either the L had rotated but the C hadn't had a chance to recognize that fact and move to T yet (plausible... there's a lot of action happening in C's area when as soon as the ball gets to the frontcourt)
OR
(and I hope this isn't the case) the T was slow getting to the frontcourt from the backcourt, so the L couldn't rotate yet.
The Trail is extremely slow getting across the division line. The Lead was probably enjoying the view and forgot the he needs to rotate.
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Old Sun Dec 07, 2014, 01:27pm
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The Trail is extremely slow getting across the division line. The Lead was probably enjoying the view and forgot the he needs to rotate.
Right. And I'm not waiting for the T to cross the division line. I'm going. The T can run right to the C position - he doesn't even need to stop.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 03:43pm
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Would like to hear some opinions on this video.
it could be brighter, and zoomed in more on the action.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2014, 11:37pm
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it could be brighter, and zoomed in more on the action.
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