Captains Meeting Question, Part II--Illinois Officials

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

2) Which brings me to the IllinoisHSA uniform requirements for basketball offcials. The NFHS Manual specifies a V-neck shirt; and both the OhioHSAA and MichiganHSAA also specifies a V-neck shirt. And yet the IllinoisHSA specifies that a crew can wear either a V-neck shirt OR a Byron Collar Shirt, . I hope that this is just an old requirement that has never been erased from the books; I hope that some Illinois officials will weigh in on this.

Actually, it just recommends a V-Neck or Byron-collared shirt, but does specify no turtlenecks.

C. Basketball (G & B)
1. Standard black and white vertically striped knit shirt with short sleeves. Byron collared or V-neck shirts are recommended (no turtle necks);
2. Black trousers (no flares);
3. Entirely black shoes with black shoelaces, all black socks;
4. Belt-should be entirely black;
5. Jackets-should be entirely black;
6. Whistle should have a neck cord and should be such that it may be heard. A second whistle should be carried for emergency.
7. Required IHSA patches must be properly worn.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

4. Belt-should be entirely black;

You gotta love the Land of Lincoln.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You gotta love the Land of Lincoln.

A lot of things are "allowed" by the state you would never get caught wearing them for a particular (if not all) assignors. We are not your state, the state does not dictate what is required to get regular season games. I can tell you honestly, I see belts about a less as I see byron collar shirts, which is almost never. And usually these are not worn by someone that is not working any varsity and those that want to work varsity know better.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A lot of things are "allowed" by the state you would never get caught wearing them for a particular (if not all) assignors.

My local board, my local interpreter (also the training coordinator), and my high school assigner, neither encourage, nor discourage belts. In thirty-four years, the only mention of belts has been, "If you're going to wear a belt, make sure that it's all black". Period, not another word, and I served several years on the training committee. That's the way it is. Here. I'm sure that it's very different in other places. And I fully accept that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My local board, my local interpreter (also the training coordinator), and my high school assigner, neither encourage, nor discourage belts. In thirty-four years, the only mention of belts has been, "If you're going to wear a belt, make sure that it's all black". Period, not another word, and I served several years on the training committee. That's the way it is. Here. I'm sure that it's very different in other places. And I fully accept that.

Not only are you strongly discouraged to wear a belt, you might not get hired or get fired if you wear a belt. It is that simple. The state has nearly 6000 officials, they do not care what officials do at all levels, but they certainly do not hire official at all for regular season games. And there are no association that do any assigning (like around the country) and the IHSA is not going to give a darn what people wear in a freshman B game in a small town.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not only are you strongly discouraged to wear a belt, you might not get hired or get fired if you wear a belt.

Great advice if I plan to move to Illinois (or any other state) but I don't, so I'll just do what is expected of me in Connecticut as long as I officiate here. If they change the uniform guidelines in Connecticut, you'll be the first to know, followed by me purchasing beltless pants.

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I am working on designing a special message filter for any text string containing "belt" or "belts" for this forum.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Great advice if I plan to move to Illinois (or any other state) but I don't, so I'll just do what is expected of me in Connecticut as long as I officiate here. If they change the uniform guidelines in Connecticut, you'll be the first to know, followed by me purchasing beltless pants.

Then why did you even mention what Illinois had written down? We know you are not moving.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

My local board, my local interpreter (also the training coordinator), and my high school assigner, neither encourage, nor discourage belts. In thirty-four years, the only mention of belts has been, "If you're going to wear a belt, make sure that it's all black". Period, not another word, and I served several years on the training committee. That's the way it is. Here. I'm sure that it's very different in other places. And I fully accept that.

The uniform requirement in Wisconsin is "beltless slacks." This doesn't stop some people (mostly subvarsity) from wearing belts, but when I watched the rules video and this was mentioned, I thought of Billy.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

All right kids. Play nice!

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rich

The uniform requirement in Wisconsin is "beltless slacks." This doesn't stop some people (mostly subvarsity) from wearing belts

It would certainly stop me. I do what my assigner, and my interpreter, tell me to do. Plus, we still have peer ratings here (soon to be done away with).

[j51969]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

You gotta love the Land of Lincoln.

optional orange belt is authorized during hunting season.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Actually, it just recommends a V-Neck or Byron-collared shirt, but does specify no turtlenecks.

C. Basketball (G & B)
1. Standard black and white vertically striped knit shirt with short sleeves. Byron collared or V-neck shirts are recommended (no turtle necks);
2. Black trousers (no flares);
3. Entirely black shoes with black shoelaces, all black socks;
4. Belt-should be entirely black;
5. Jackets-should be entirely black;
6. Whistle should have a neck cord and should be such that it may be heard. A second whistle should be carried for emergency.
7. Required IHSA patches must be properly worn.

8. Should have less than 40% body fat and the ability to run.

I hate the lanyard thing. Part the uniform should be an understanding of the rules, and fitness commensurate with level of play. Certified or not I will probably never make it in Illinois as a tournament official. Which has never really been a goal. They talk a great game at the beginning of the year about what will happen if you don't tow the line. A couple of years it was the unifrom stuff. We did what we were told, and they made us look weak by giving the teams waivers. Crazy I tell you...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by j51969

8. Should have less than 40% body fat and the ability to run.

I hate the lanyard thing. Part the uniform should be an understanding of the rules, and fitness commensurate with level of play. Certified or not I will probably never make it in Illinois as a tournament official. Which has never really been a goal. They talk a great game at the beginning of the year about what will happen if you don't tow the line. A couple of years it was the unifrom stuff. We did what we were told, and they made us look weak by giving the teams waivers. Crazy I tell you...

Why would knowlede of the rules have to do with what you wear on your body?

Maybe that is a requirement for officiating, but that has nothing to do with other aspects of officiating.

Peace

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by j51969

I hate the lanyard thing.

Not sure how things operate in Champaign, but in Chicago you if you don't wear a lanyard, you are not going to be getting any varsity games. It has nothing to do with what the state says, and everything to do with what the assignment chairs say. Also, in almost every college conference I work and many of the college camps I have been to, you are told to use a lanyard. Again, it is what the assignors expect. There are lots of things I don't like doing, but when my boss tells me to do them, I can either follow his advice or find a new line of work. Besides, I have much more important things to worry about than being forced to use a lanyard.