3 Person Mechanics (Video)

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

...he had a better look than C.

Disagree. C had the slot on this play.

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.

Secondary Coverage Area (SCA) calls are sometimes necessary, especially as "crew-savers" or when another official has an open look that the primary official doesn't have (cf. "curl plays", where you'd wanna "stay away when they curl away"). However, that condition did not seem to apply in this clip.

It would be interesting to hear the L's justification for two things: Why he didn't rotate to strong side (though even though he didn't, that isn't his play to be looking at once he got across anyway), and why he didn't trust that his C could make the call there if one was warranted.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Freddy

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It would be interesting to hear the L's justification for two things: Why he didn't rotate to strong side, and why he didn't trust that his C could make the call there if one was warranted.

Lack of training/learning. (I know this for a fact)

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Lack of training/learning. (I know this for a fact)

Could also be lack of learning in spite of loyal efforts of those responsible to provide quality training.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Could also be lack of learning in spite of loyal efforts of those responsible to provide quality training.

It's a combination of no desire to really learn, and no quality training mechanisms in place.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Freddy

(though even though he didn't, that isn't his play to be looking at once he got across anyway),

IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.

I agree. The rotation should've been initiated as soon as that pass went down to that player. That's where a lot of officials have problems with 3-person. They hesitate and that hesitation puts them "too late" to rotate over.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.

Of course, analyzing what an official did/did not do based on video is easy. Almost too easy. But a point might be made that this play was outside L's PCA had he rotated but that he did have a competitive matchup at the high post on that side he probably should have been surveilling had he rotated.
Then again, I wouldn't want to be considered one who did not agree with Bob.

[Pantherdreams]

1. Man . . .thats not your call.

2. Thats not a crew saver thats you throwing your C 2 feet from the play staring at it, making a 5 second count . . . under the bus.

3. Man . . . thats not your call.

4. If you are going to call outside your coverage area it needs to be clearly a missed foul. There is more contact on the way to the gatorade cooler then on that play.

5. Man .. .thats not YOUR CALL.

6. You are on the wrong side of the key a looking through at least 2 defenders to see the ball carrier. Your partner is staring at the ball carrier.

7. Man . . . that is NOT YOUR CALL.

8. You should really go and get the Trails opinion on this too since we clearly need more officials staring directly at the ball.

9. Man . . . THAT IS NOT YOUR CALL.

10. BTW you may have made a marginal call in another officials primary coverage.

[Kansas Ref]

Those shirts make them look like clowns. The call that was made--totally out of pca by the L--made it even look more like a circus act.
I saw the C positioned 3 feet away and staring straight at the "on ball action" and the C detected no violation.

Originally Posted by ballgame99

Hard to tell with grainy video, but I don't see a fist in the air or a signal at the spot by the lead. He's out of his primary, but there isn't anything going on in his primary and he had a better look than C. Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.

I think Lead is a girl.

Moral of this play: Trust the system, trust your partners.

PS: Is that APG at C and BNR at Trail??

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Moral of this play: Trust the system, trust your partners.

PS: Is that APG at C and BNR at Trail??

Unless there was a 6' 5" bald man in the video, no it wasn't me.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Moral of this play: Trust the system, trust your partners.

PS: Is that APG at C and BNR at Trail??

Do not worry who it is. If they want to say who they are, let them do that. I did not post this without and individual on the crew giving some permission or blessing.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Moral of this play: Trust the system, trust your partners.

PS: Is that APG at C and BNR at Trail??

If I were the Trail in this video I would have already been at the 28' line when the ball went into the opposite corner, not just now walking into the front court.

But the game is local to my area, and I do not work for that association, if that helps satisfy your curiosity.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I think Lead is a girl.

Apparently it's just you and me that noticed this...