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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 06:10am
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 08:11am
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The stripes on their shirts are just too wide for me.. otherwise...ouch
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:08am
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The stripes on their shirts are just too wide for me.. otherwise...ouch
Those are the shirts we are now required to wear in Virginia. Change for the sake of lining someone's pockets.

As for the play, I guarantee they never discussed it, and that it will happen again.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:12am
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Hard to tell with grainy video, but I don't see a fist in the air or a signal at the spot by the lead. He's out of his primary, but there isn't anything going on in his primary and he had a better look than C. Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:12am
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The introductory title is incorrect. This isn't "Lead Calling Across Paint." The paint ain't even close to the play. This is "Lead Calling in Another Zip Code."
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:14am
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Hard to tell with grainy video, but I don't see a fist in the air or a signal at the spot by the lead. He's out of his primary, but there isn't anything going on in his primary and he had a better look than C. Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.
The Lead did have her fist up.

No-no's include:
1) reffing from the middle of the paint
2) putting a whistle on a play that is clearly in someone else's primary
3) calling out of your primary on contact that may not have even been a foul
4) being indecisive as to whether or not to rotate
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:15am
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"Lead fails to recognize perfect opportunity to rotate."
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:19am
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...he had a better look than C.
Disagree. C had the slot on this play.

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Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.
Secondary Coverage Area (SCA) calls are sometimes necessary, especially as "crew-savers" or when another official has an open look that the primary official doesn't have (cf. "curl plays", where you'd wanna "stay away when they curl away"). However, that condition did not seem to apply in this clip.

It would be interesting to hear the L's justification for two things: Why he didn't rotate to strong side (though even though he didn't, that isn't his play to be looking at once he got across anyway), and why he didn't trust that his C could make the call there if one was warranted.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 09:21am
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It would be interesting to hear the L's justification for two things: Why he didn't rotate to strong side, and why he didn't trust that his C could make the call there if one was warranted.
Lack of training/learning. (I know this for a fact)
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Lack of training/learning. (I know this for a fact)
Could also be lack of learning in spite of loyal efforts of those responsible to provide quality training.
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(though even though he didn't, that isn't his play to be looking at once he got across anyway),
IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:22am
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IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.
I agree. The rotation should've been initiated as soon as that pass went down to that player. That's where a lot of officials have problems with 3-person. They hesitate and that hesitation puts them "too late" to rotate over.
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Old Fri Nov 21, 2014, 10:37am
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IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.
Of course, analyzing what an official did/did not do based on video is easy. Almost too easy. But a point might be made that this play was outside L's PCA had he rotated but that he did have a competitive matchup at the high post on that side he probably should have been surveilling had he rotated.
Then again, I wouldn't want to be considered one who did not agree with Bob.
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Could also be lack of learning in spite of loyal efforts of those responsible to provide quality training.
It's a combination of no desire to really learn, and no quality training mechanisms in place.
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1. Man . . .thats not your call.

2. Thats not a crew saver thats you throwing your C 2 feet from the play staring at it, making a 5 second count . . . under the bus.

3. Man . . . thats not your call.

4. If you are going to call outside your coverage area it needs to be clearly a missed foul. There is more contact on the way to the gatorade cooler then on that play.

5. Man .. .thats not YOUR CALL.

6. You are on the wrong side of the key a looking through at least 2 defenders to see the ball carrier. Your partner is staring at the ball carrier.

7. Man . . . that is NOT YOUR CALL.

8. You should really go and get the Trails opinion on this too since we clearly need more officials staring directly at the ball.

9. Man . . . THAT IS NOT YOUR CALL.

10. BTW you may have made a marginal call in another officials primary coverage.
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