3 Person Mechanics (Video)

JRutledge

What is wrong with this picture?

Peace

BigCat

The stripes on their shirts are just too wide for me..😃 otherwise...ouch

Raymond

BigCat wrote
The stripes on their shirts are just too wide for me..😃 otherwise...ouch

Those are the shirts we are now required to wear in Virginia. Change for the sake of lining someone's pockets.

As for the play, I guarantee they never discussed it, and that it will happen again.

ballgame99

Hard to tell with grainy video, but I don't see a fist in the air or a signal at the spot by the lead. He's out of his primary, but there isn't anything going on in his primary and he had a better look than C. Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.

Freddy

The introductory title is incorrect. This isn't "Lead Calling Across Paint." The paint ain't even close to the play. This is "Lead Calling in Another Zip Code."

Raymond

ballgame99 wrote
Hard to tell with grainy video, but I don't see a fist in the air or a signal at the spot by the lead. He's out of his primary, but there isn't anything going on in his primary and he had a better look than C. Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.

The Lead did have her fist up.

No-no's include:
1) reffing from the middle of the paint
2) putting a whistle on a play that is clearly in someone else's primary
3) calling out of your primary on contact that may not have even been a foul
4) being indecisive as to whether or not to rotate

Rich

"Lead fails to recognize perfect opportunity to rotate."

Freddy

ballgame99 wrote
...he had a better look than C.

Disagree. C had the slot on this play.

ballgame99 wrote
Is this a big no no or something? I don't do 3 man.

Secondary Coverage Area (SCA) calls are sometimes necessary, especially as "crew-savers" or when another official has an open look that the primary official doesn't have (cf. "curl plays", where you'd wanna "stay away when they curl away"). However, that condition did not seem to apply in this clip.

It would be interesting to hear the L's justification for two things: Why he didn't rotate to strong side (though even though he didn't, that isn't his play to be looking at once he got across anyway), and why he didn't trust that his C could make the call there if one was warranted.

Raymond

Freddy wrote
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It would be interesting to hear the L's justification for two things: Why he didn't rotate to strong side, and why he didn't trust that his C could make the call there if one was warranted.

Lack of training/learning. (I know this for a fact)

Freddy

BadNewsRef wrote
Lack of training/learning. (I know this for a fact)

Could also be lack of learning in spite of loyal efforts of those responsible to provide quality training.

bob jenkins

Freddy wrote
(though even though he didn't, that isn't his play to be looking at once he got across anyway),

IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.

Rich

bob jenkins wrote
IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.

I agree. The rotation should've been initiated as soon as that pass went down to that player. That's where a lot of officials have problems with 3-person. They hesitate and that hesitation puts them "too late" to rotate over.

Freddy

bob jenkins wrote
IF L had rotated, then I think the contact happened in L's primary -- especially with no other post players.

Of course, analyzing what an official did/did not do based on video is easy. Almost too easy. But a point might be made that this play was outside L's PCA had he rotated but that he did have a competitive matchup at the high post on that side he probably should have been surveilling had he rotated.
Then again, I wouldn't want to be considered one who did not agree with Bob.

Raymond

Freddy wrote
Could also be lack of learning in spite of loyal efforts of those responsible to provide quality training.

It's a combination of no desire to really learn, and no quality training mechanisms in place.

Pantherdreams

1. Man . . .thats not your call.

2. Thats not a crew saver thats you throwing your C 2 feet from the play staring at it, making a 5 second count . . . under the bus.

3. Man . . . thats not your call.

4. If you are going to call outside your coverage area it needs to be clearly a missed foul. There is more contact on the way to the gatorade cooler then on that play.

5. Man .. .thats not YOUR CALL.

6. You are on the wrong side of the key a looking through at least 2 defenders to see the ball carrier. Your partner is staring at the ball carrier.

7. Man . . . that is NOT YOUR CALL.

8. You should really go and get the Trails opinion on this too since we clearly need more officials staring directly at the ball.

9. Man . . . THAT IS NOT YOUR CALL.

10. BTW you may have made a marginal call in another officials primary coverage.

rockyroad

Appears to be a lot of laziness in this clip...T is slowly walking up the court, L not rotating...not good.

And I am still not convinced there was enough to warrant a foul call in the first place.

BryanV21

Not the best quality video, so I could be wrong, but I don't think the foul was "big" enough that the L should have called it from that far away (and not in her PCA).

I mean, if it were a "whale" then I'd have no problem with the L taking the call should the C have missed it, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Raymond

BryanV21 wrote
Not the best quality video, so I could be wrong, but I don't think the foul was "big" enough that the L should have called it from that far away (and not in her PCA).

I mean, if it were a "whale" then I'd have no problem with the L taking the call should the C have missed it, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

The big problem is the mechanics. If you are going to be looking way over there as the Lead, then why haven't you rotated?

BryanV21

BadNewsRef wrote
The big problem is the mechanics. If you are going to be looking way over there as the Lead, then why haven't you rotated?

Well, yeah... I agree. I'm just going by what actually happened.

Raymond

BadNewsRef wrote
The big problem is the mechanics. If you are going to be looking way over there as the Lead, then why haven't you rotated?

BryanV21 wrote
Well, yeah... I agree. I'm just going by what actually happened.

To make ourselves better, we need to recognize the mechanical and coverage errors from these type of videos so that we don't make the same mistakes. Whether it was actually a foul or not is not really the main point.