Duke v Michigan State Block/Charge (Video)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

If he stepped toward the end line I think he would have a worse view of potential defenders in his PCA. Stepping onto the court towards the basket would be more effective here IMO.

In your opinion. Not in mine.

[OKREF]

It's a travel first, then a PC

Originally Posted by Rich

In your opinion. Not in mine.

Duh, that's why I wrote "IMO".

[jeremy341a]

Hard to tell on the clip but it appears that perhaps the offensive player was fouled by the primary defender. Is it possible this had anything to do with the decision to go with a block? Not necessarily a makeup call but more of the brain will still processing the initial play.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Hard to tell on the clip but it appears that perhaps the offensive player was fouled by the primary defender. Is it possible this had anything to do with the decision to go with a block? Not necessarily a makeup call but more of the brain will still processing the initial play.

You might mean secondary defender. offense went around first player. guy who attempted to take charge came from help side..

In a college game your always aware of the arc/help side defense when someone is on way to rim but in this case the contact was far enough away from the arc that I personally doubt its a factor here. possible, i suppose not sure what he is thinking obviously...
i'm with badnews for most part on maybe why block called-- top half of defender flies to right and back somewhat on contact. rather than straight back. offensive player is trying to jump around him. looks a bit weird up top. he seems to be looking right at it so I'm not seeing him surprised etc.

maybe after his partner didn't call the charge against green less than two minutes earlier he decided there would be no charges that night…at least not for awhile longer

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

Hard to tell on the clip but it appears that perhaps the offensive player was fouled by the primary defender. Is it possible this had anything to do with the decision to go with a block? Not necessarily a makeup call but more of the brain will still processing the initial play.

No, it wasn't a make-up call. I think what happened was that B1's contact with A1 made him pause for a second, and then he picked up B2 too late.

[jeremy341a]

I didn't mean secondary defender. I was saying that it appears that the first player the offense goes around may have fouled him.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I didn't mean secondary defender. I was saying that it appears that the first player the offense goes around may have fouled him.

i was sharp as a marble on that one wasn't i...

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by BigCat

i was sharp as a marble on that one wasn't i...

lol

[CNYREF]

So this play was covered in a video bulletin by john Adams and obviously as we all know it was a player control foul however as stated previously he also said this should have been the leads call because it was a secondary defender. Doesn't matter if it's outside of paint. Only the C's call if it was primary...

[Raymond]

I disagree with Mr. Adams in regards to the Lead on this play.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I disagree with Mr. Adams in regards to the Lead on this play.

Me too. C all the way.

[twocentsworth]

personally, I don't really care who calls it - this needs to be a charge.

preferably this is the leads call: 1) a secondary defender is involved (too hard for C to look past primary defender - who got beat and past offensive player to find the secondary defender to determine if he has LGP and is outside RA); and 2) plays are almost always easier to officiate when they are coming TOWARDS you rather than AWAY from you.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

It was a clear charge that was called a block by the C (Terry Wymer). I think he was little surprised that the contact/play happened the way it did. Someone will post the video here soon…

In this case, it would be too much of a reach for lead IMO to grab this. If he had closed down somewhat, possibly. Also, C has a much better angle than lead, surprised he called block.

I'm not a fan of reaching across the paint.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

personally, I don't really care who calls it - this needs to be a charge.

preferably this is the leads call: 1) a secondary defender is involved (too hard for C to look past primary defender - who got beat and past offensive player to find the secondary defender to determine if he has LGP and is outside RA); and 2) plays are almost always easier to officiate when they are coming TOWARDS you rather than AWAY from you.

In this case, it would be too much of a reach for lead IMO to grab this. If he had closed down somewhat, possibly. Also, C has a much better angle than lead, surprised he called block.

I'm not a fan of reaching across the paint.