Sunglasses Technical Foul

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

Not a chance in the world I am working a game at any level for free other than camp games. I would not be available for scrimmages. No way am I leaving work early or taking away from family time to work a game for free.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Not a chance in the world I am working a game at any level for free other than camp games. I would not be available for scrimmages. No way am I leaving work early or taking away from family time to work a game for free.

Here, newer officials have the chance to officiate at pre-season scrimmages for experience and feedback from veteran officials and/or association trainers.

Last year, I signed up for the two-person Saturday scrimmage so I could get feedback on my strengths and areas of improvement. I found the experience largely positive.

The following weekend, my assignor asked me to attend a scrimmage where he'd do something similar with his first and second-year officials. I wasn't expecting it to be a varsity scrimmage given the fact some of the officials had yet to officiate an actual game.

At that scrimmage, I had a coach disagree with a no-call and tell me "Blow the d--- whistle." I immediately whacked him... only to have my partner and the veteran official tell me after the period ended that I shouldn't be T'ing coaches at a scrimmage. I wouldn't let a coach do it in a game, and I don't see why a scrimmage should be any different in that regard.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Stat-Man

Here, newer officials have the chance to officiate at pre-season scrimmages for experience and feedback from veteran officials and/or association trainers.

Last year, I signed up for the two-person Saturday scrimmage so I could get feedback on my strengths and areas of improvement. I found the experience largely positive.

The following weekend, my assignor asked me to attend a scrimmage where he'd do something similar with his first and second-year officials. I wasn't expecting it to be a varsity scrimmage given the fact some of the officials had yet to officiate an actual game.

At that scrimmage, I had a coach disagree with a no-call and tell me "Blow the d--- whistle." I immediately whacked him... only to have my partner and the veteran official tell me after the period ended that I shouldn't be T'ing coaches at a scrimmage. I wouldn't let a coach do it in a game, and I don't see why a scrimmage should be any different in that regard.

Here we work scrimmages for a weekend out of goodwill, it's a standard, and most are expected to give it a few games. There is no way, absolutely none, that I would accept any grief from any coach or player in those games.

[kstiles99]

Originally Posted by Adam

Here we work scrimmages for a weekend out of goodwill, it's a standard, and most are expected to give it a few games. There is no way, absolutely none, that I would accept any grief from any coach or player in those games.

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

Ignore statements (Except for them screaming at you), answer questions...do that and you'll be on the right track.

[BillyMac]

We get paid for all scrimmages here in Connecticut. $50.00 each (two officials), or $33.00 each (three officials, with one official rotating out every period), for six periods (maximum of two hours).

Years ago we used to volunteer, and sign up, for scrimmages. Most were free, some paid a small stipend (twenty bucks for gas, laundry, lunch), some gave us pizza, grinders, T-shirts, etc.. Then our state interscholastic sports governing body made some changes because many sports (not basketball, but sports like field hockey, lacrosse, etc.) were having a difficult time getting officials to work their scrimmages, so now all scrimmages, for all sports, are paid, and all are assigned by assignment commissioners, in the same manner as games.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

Find a mentor who can help you with this issue -- you're right it's hard. What you need is tools that work for you in between nothing and the T. Different referees use different tools -- warning looks, stop signs, "that's enough," "coach, please let it go." Different tools work for different referees - and what works for the 60-year-old vet ain't necessarily gonna work for you. But there are tools out there you can use so that when you whack the coach he knows he earned it.

(I was an 11 year old soccer referee many, many moons ago, so I get where you are coming from -- I tossed a coach when I was 12 . . . I also did basketball as a teenager but that was in a church school league that didn't really have a lot of coach issues, so I don't have a great tool set to share -- soccer control tools can be a bit different due to the difference in the setting.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

Curious, are you working high school?

Regardless, don't let them ride you. I promise you it won't take as many technical fouls as you think.

Give a quick warning, "coach that's enough."
If/when he continues, whack.
Next game, same thing.

You'll find that most coaches will get it and adjust before you have to issue a 2nd T. Be consistent, be firm. You'll eventually learn to converse with them and defuse situations; but in the mean time, the T works great to help you focus on the game.

When you give a T, listen to your partner's feedback after the game or at half time, learn from it if you can. Some partners will give you stupid feedback: smile and nod, brain dump it later.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

Agreed, but this is my first year as an official... And I'm 16 :/

Coaches do not have any problems giving me the business up and down the court. If I T 'em for this every time, there won't be any coaches on the floor, and my assignors will take notice, give me grief, and probably pull my assignments.

On the other hand, If I let bench personnel walk all over me, my games quickly turn to crap. It's hard being a rookie

It's hard to be 16 and trying to officiate HS games. Many adults have trouble respecting someone of that age and having the teenager in the role of the authority figure.

My opinion is that people still in HS should only work summerball or recreational leagues because of these aspects as well as the problem with being an independent contractor at that age.

In my years of officiating, I've had to T coaches for throwing the following items: clipboard, water bottle, towel, pen, jacket, and the game ball.