Sunglasses Technical Foul

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

So I need some insight on this situation..
Middle School girls scrimmage, late in the game with two teams tied...
B1 has the ball near her arc when A1 bumps her with her hip. I call the block. When i reported the foul, Team A's assistant coach jumps out of seat going beserck, because he felt the foul should go on A2 instead of A1. The guy had his sunglasses resting on his forehead (I guess because he forgot to take them off when he came in) and spins around and chunks them at the empty practice court adjacent to the main court. They shatter into several pieces. I call a T on this, and he slowly calms down as I speak to the head coach about this. Was the situation handled right? Was the T warranted? What would you have done?

Was the T warranted???? Are you kidding? I have TWO T's here.

[Rich]

I had a supervisor, in another state who's since passed away, who said...

"We're there working for free. We don't give technical fouls. We put the ball on the table and go to the house. Then a coach gets to do it..."

We get paid for scrimmages here.

[walt]

Whack when he jumps up and then heave ho when he throws the glasses. As others have said, you are not really second guessing this are you?

[grunewar]

I too probably would have whacked him earlier. Assistants are to be seen, not heard.

Originally Posted by Rich

We get paid for scrimmages here.

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I too probably would have whacked him earlier. Assistants are to be seen, not heard.

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

Why would ANYONE take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why would ANYONE take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

We work them free here, they appreciate it. I'm pretty sure any crap would be shut down by the HC before I had to deal with it.

[bballref3966]

Originally Posted by rich

why would anyone take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

+1

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

Why would ANYONE take crap in a scrimmage where they aren't being paid? We're doing them a favor.

To give back and show I'm not above it all.

I believe my HS associations contracts are written that schools are afforded a set amount of free scrimmages.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Not in my little corner of VA, unfortunately.

Not a chance in the world I am working a game at any level for free other than camp games. I would not be available for scrimmages. No way am I leaving work early or taking away from family time to work a game for free.

[Stat-Man]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Not a chance in the world I am working a game at any level for free other than camp games. I would not be available for scrimmages. No way am I leaving work early or taking away from family time to work a game for free.

Here, newer officials have the chance to officiate at pre-season scrimmages for experience and feedback from veteran officials and/or association trainers.

Last year, I signed up for the two-person Saturday scrimmage so I could get feedback on my strengths and areas of improvement. I found the experience largely positive.

The following weekend, my assignor asked me to attend a scrimmage where he'd do something similar with his first and second-year officials. I wasn't expecting it to be a varsity scrimmage given the fact some of the officials had yet to officiate an actual game.

At that scrimmage, I had a coach disagree with a no-call and tell me "Blow the d--- whistle." I immediately whacked him... only to have my partner and the veteran official tell me after the period ended that I shouldn't be T'ing coaches at a scrimmage. I wouldn't let a coach do it in a game, and I don't see why a scrimmage should be any different in that regard.

[egj13]

Originally Posted by kstiles99

Team A's assistant coach jumps out of seat going beserck,

All I need to know in this story is the AC....had this happen in a BV jamboree two weeks ago minus the sunglasses. Like most on here I HATE having to give T's during jamboree type games but I didn't want to set a precedence of what I would accept later in the year. Sure enough, I get that team's home opener and the AC was a complete gentleman (even though they lost a close game). Either way, I have a very short leash with ACs...

[Smitty]

In my association, if we want to get assignments, we must work scrimmages. If we want to work post season, we must accumulate a certain number of points and we can get points for working scrimmages (2 max points). Most of us work an average of 3 scrimmages - I worked 4 this season. We don't get paid - the school pays the association what they would typically pay us. The format is typically 2 to 4 schools participate and they have us (usually 5-6 people are assigned to a court) for up to 3 hours. They can do whatever they want during that time: play a full game, just quarters, game situations...whatever they choose. It's a way for everyone to get ready for the season. People gripe about it, but it's really not that big of a deal.

Coaches are almost always well behaved - they worry about their players and they rarely worry about the officiating. Sometimes when a rookie makes mistakes or someone clearly is in over their heads, they get a little frustrated, but I've never seen anyone get really upset during a scrimmage.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Smitty

they have us (usually 5-6 people are assigned to a court) for up to 3 hours. People gripe about it, but it's really not that big of a deal.

Up to 3 hrs. each time and you have to do a minimum of 2 of them. Of course people gripe about it, most people's time is worth something. 6+ hrs. of free officiating is absolutely ridiculous. Even for people who place little to no value on their time, giving up family/personal time is a cost as well. If the schools cannot afford to pay officials to have a scrimmage, than they don't need to play any scrimmages or they can have their coaches officiate. We have lots of ways available to us to prepare for the season, working for free is not one of them!

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Up to 3 hrs. each time and you have to do a minimum of 2 of them. Of course people gripe about it, most people's time is worth something. 6+ hrs. of free officiating is absolutely ridiculous. Even for people who place little to no value on their time, giving up family/personal time is a cost as well. If the schools cannot afford to pay officials to have a scrimmage, than they don't need to play any scrimmages or they can have their coaches officiate. We have lots of ways available to us to prepare for the season, working for free is not one of them!

I understand what you're saying. We have very little bargaining power, though. If we want to be assigned (decent) games, we better work our scrimmages. And if we want to work the playoffs, we better work the scrimmages. Here in Texas, districts/schools and coaches have way more power than they should. It's a massive conflict of interest, but it's the way it is. The association is just as focused on pleasing the schools and coaches as it is in pleasing the officials, because the districts can choose which associations they use. And coaches can choose which officials they want (or don't want) when it comes to district play and playoffs.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I understand what you're saying. We have very little bargaining power, though. If we want to be assigned (decent) games, we better work our scrimmages. And if we want to work the playoffs, we better work the scrimmages. Here in Texas, districts/schools and coaches have way more power than they should. It's a massive conflict of interest, but it's the way it is. The association is just as focused on pleasing the schools and coaches as it is in pleasing the officials, because the districts can choose which associations they use. And coaches can choose which officials they want (or don't want) when it comes to district play and playoffs.

How is this about the power of the schools if, as you said in your prior post, the schools are paying the game fee to the assoication rather than you? Sounds like this is, more or less, association dues, not something the schools are dictating.