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Old Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:06pm
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Intentional Foul and Throw In

Trying to get my arms around 2 different scenarios:

1) B1 commits intentional foul on A1 with a 2 handed shove in the back that results in A1 crashing into the wall behind basket.

2) B1 slaps the wrist of A1 on the throw- in underneath the basket resulting in an intentional foul.

In the above after the FTs..does Team A have a designated spot throw in or can they run the line?
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Old Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:22pm
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Trying to get my arms around 2 different scenarios:

1) B1 commits intentional foul on A1 with a 2 handed shove in the back that results in A1 crashing into the wall behind basket.

2) B1 slaps the wrist of A1 on the throw- in underneath the basket resulting in an intentional foul.

In the above after the FTs..does Team A have a designated spot throw in or can they run the line?
If they had the endline priviledge before the foul, they retain it after the foul.
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Old Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:46pm
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If they had the endline priviledge before the foul, they retain it after the foul.
Assuming NFHS, that's only true if the foul is a common foul. The scenario presented will always result in a designated spot throw-in after the FTs.
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Old Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:48pm
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If they had the endline priviledge before the foul, they retain it after the foul.
That is true under NCAAW rules, but not under FED rules.
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Retaining the end line privilege only applies for a common foul. I should know, I missed a similar question on my association exam last year.

And if I see a scenario like #1, I'm calling it flagrant.
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Assuming NFHS, that's only true if the foul is a common foul. The scenario presented will always result in a designated spot throw-in after the FTs.
Thanks for the clarification. That seems to go clearly against the intent of that rule. Taking away the endline priviledge seems to help out the team who committed the foul.

Anyone have a rationale?
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Thanks for the clarification. That seems to go clearly against the intent of that rule. Taking away the endline priviledge seems to help out the team who committed the foul.

Anyone have a rationale?
The FTs for the IF/Flagrant in combination with the possession are considered to be enough of a penalty/compensation. Getting those 2 extra points is worth far more than being able to run the line.

In other cases, the endline run is retained because the the throwin is the only compensation for the infraction. The loss of the running privileges would be the only real effect, a benefit for the team committing the infraction instead of a penalty.
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Old Tue Oct 14, 2014, 04:18pm
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Thanks for the clarification. That seems to go clearly against the intent of that rule. Taking away the endline priviledge seems to help out the team who committed the foul.

Anyone have a rationale?
7.5.7D reiterates what has been correctly stated above. No rationale here. In fact, this is another one of those "Ten Rules I Don't Think are Fair." That's two this week that have come up here.
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7.5.7D.
7.5.7 SITUATION D: Team A scores a field goal. B1 picks up the ball and steps
out of bounds at the end line to prepare for a throw-in. Before the throw-in is
completed, A2 is called for an intentional (or flagrant) foul on B3 near the end
line. RULING: B3 would shoot the two free throws for the intentional (or flagrant)
foul with the lane cleared. Team B will then have a designated spot throw-in on
the end line. (7-5-4b)
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7.5.7 SITUATION D: Team A scores a field goal. B1 picks up the ball and steps
out of bounds at the end line to prepare for a throw-in. Before the throw-in is
completed, A2 is called for an intentional (or flagrant) foul on B3 near the end
line. RULING: B3 would shoot the two free throws for the intentional (or flagrant)
foul with the lane cleared. Team B will then have a designated spot throw-in on
the end line. (7-5-4b)
Thanks BillyMac.

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Old Wed Oct 15, 2014, 12:20pm
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7.5.7 SITUATION D: Team A scores a field goal. B1 picks up the ball and steps
out of bounds at the end line to prepare for a throw-in. Before the throw-in is
completed, A2 is called for an intentional (or flagrant) foul on B3 near the end
line. RULING: B3 would shoot the two free throws for the intentional (or flagrant)
foul with the lane cleared. Team B will then have a designated spot throw-in on
the end line. (7-5-4b)
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Thanks BillyMac.

I don't agree, but they don't pay me for my opinion.
Once the offense has been given an opportunity to score (2 free throws), there is no need to run the end line. The defense no longer has gained an advantage with the foul.

On a common foul, not allowing the offense to run the end line would give the defense an advantage in fouling.
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