New IABBO RULE BOOK

[rlarry]

Originally Posted by constable

IAABO is the biggest waste of money. I fail to see any benefit of me giving them 35USD every year. They plagiarize the NFHS, NCAA and FIBA rule books and add in their own manual that has some ridiculous guidelines. i.e. officials getting in trouble for not conducting a joint coaches and captains meeting.

I don't think they plagiarize, I believe they use them. Plagiarism would imply illegal use. I looked at the newest IAABO book, What trouble are are you referring to?

[constable]

Originally Posted by rlarry

I don't think they plagiarize, I believe they use them. Plagiarism would imply illegal use. I looked at the newest IAABO book, What trouble are are you referring to?

Sorry- plagiarize is not the correct term. They do in fact republish the above mention rule books.

As I mentioned before IAABO boards are chastising officials for not forcing the coaches to attend the captains meeting because it is in the IAABO manual but not the NFHS rule book.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by constable

Sorry- plagiarize is not the correct term. They do in fact republish the above mention rule books.

As I mentioned before IAABO boards are chastising officials for not forcing the coaches to attend the captains meeting because it is in the IAABO manual but not the NFHS rule book.

Captains and coaches meeting is mandatory in my state.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Captains and coaches meeting is mandatory in my state.

I am sorry to hear that. I don't want HCs in my Captains Meeting from a historical perspective.

There are many here that do not like the rule that allows HCs to request TOs. The current TO request rule in both the NFHS and NCAA Men's Rules Books is the same TO request rule found in the NCAA Women's Rules Book which was kept when the NCAA took over the women's college basketball rules writing duties from NAGWS (National Association of Girls and Women in Sports) in the late 1980's. NAGWS Women's College Rules were a mish-mash of NBCUSC (National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada, the precursor to the NFHS and NCAA Men's Rules Committees) and FIBA Rules. I think that most of us are familiar with the FIBA TO request rule: Only HCs may request a TO: It must be made to the Scorer and the request is granted at the first Dead Ball-Clock Stopped stoppage of play.

It as only been in the last 60 years or so that HCs could huddle with their teams during TOs. And most of us remember the days when only players on the court could request a TO. The reason being is that historically, the HC is a non-entity in the rules. Historically, by rule, the Team Captain was the actual man in charge on the court and in charge of his entire team. Even now the rules state that a team consists of five player, one of whom is the Captain.

I use my Captains Meeting let the captains know that they are the leaders of their teams and that I will come to them first when players, substitutes, and bench personnel (including HCs) start to become a problem.

The best example of a captain being in charge was a game from 1994. The game was the Michigan AAU Girls' 14U Championship Game with the winner going to the National Championship Tournament (actually Michigan AAU also qualified its second and third place teams that year). The point guard for the team that eventually lost the game was also her team's captain. The HC had been chipping (but not stepping over the line) but eventually he started skating on thin ice and as his PG/TC was dribbling the ball up the court I told her that her HC was skating on thin ice and that she needed to handle it the first chance she had. At that point in front of a crowd of about 75 people she looked over at her bench and yelled: "Dad, shut up! You are embarrassing me!" Needless to say, we did not hear from the HC the rest of the game.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Captains and coaches meeting is mandatory in my state.

The National High School Federation and your state association require officials to enforce sportsmanship rules. High school athletics emphasize positive values. All of us have worked hard to create a sense of teamwork, respect, responsibility and perspective. We remind you that we expect good behavior and will quickly penalize misconduct. We encourage and appreciate your help. Let the competition reflect mutual respect among participants and officials. Coaches please certify that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according the NFHS rules. Good luck and have a great contest! (New Jersey State Interscholastic Athletic Association, Kentucky High School Athletic Association)

"PIAA requires all registered sports' officials to enforce the sportsmanship rules for coaches and contestants. Actions meant to demean opposing contestants, teams, spectators and officials are not in the highest ideals of interscholastic education and will not be tolerated. Let today's contest reflect mutual respect. Coaches please certify to the contest official(s) that your players are legally equipped and uniformed according to NFHS rules and PIAA adoptions. Good luck in today's contest." (Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic Association)

To captains: The FHSAA requires officials to enforce all rules regarding unsportsmanlike conduct by players and coaches. Violators will be ejected. It is strongly suggested that you remind your teammates and coaches of this policy. Additionally, this is a simple reminder that jewelry is not allowed, and jerseys must be tucked in during play if they are designed to be worn in. To coaches: Coaches, do you certify that your players are properly equipped and will demonstrate sportsmanlike behavior during today’s contest? (Florida High School Activities Association)

[BillyMac]

Was there ever any rule basis for a pregame meeting? I could have sworn that there was such a rule, but I can find no requirement in the rulebook for such a meeting.

This is the closest that I can find:

2-4: The referee shall: Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team
member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that
all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

[constable]

In FIBA we don't even meet with the captains. To be honest, it doesn't make a difference.

I worked with "that guy" today who asked what # the speaking captain was. Told the ladies " no hand checks. Just one had. 2 hands on and we're gonna bang ya". Also said " we're gonna go with the time on the clock".

I'm surprised he didn't inform them it was the red line all the way around..

FML.

As far as I can tell Captains meetings are just another opportunity for "that guy's" to show their glaring incompetence....

[constable]

Billy- doesn't your IAABO board education officer teach you about the difference between "ejected" and "disqualified" ?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by constable

Told the ladies " no hand checks. Just one had. 2 hands on and we're gonna bang ya".

I'm surprised he didn't get arrested.

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Was there ever any rule basis for a pregame meeting? I could have sworn that there was such a rule, but I can find no requirement in the rulebook for such a meeting.

This is the closest that I can find:

2-4: The referee shall: Verify with the head coach, prior to each contest, that his/her team
member’s uniforms and equipment are legal and will be worn properly, and that
all participants will exhibit proper sporting behavior throughout the contest.

It is also stated in the Official's Manual under the referee's pregame duties. 2.1.5 A 10 (two person), 3.1.5 A 8 (three person).