Spot Throw-in or run the endline?

[Rob1968]

The following was asked by an official, last night, at a training session - HS JV/V games:

Team A is in the bonus, team B is not.
A1 is at the line to shoot a 1 and 1. The first shot is successful, and during attempted rebounding action, a foul is called on A2.
The lane is cleared, and A1 shoots the second freethrow. If it is successful, will the throw-in by team B be a spot throw-in, or may they run the endline?

[bob jenkins]

Run.

See 7.5.7B (it's kind of the "opposite" play so apply the "opposite" ruling).

See 8.6.3A

Maybe some others

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

The following was asked by an official, last night, at a training session - HS JV/V games:

Team A is in the bonus, team B is not.
A1 is at the line to shoot a 1 and 1. The first shot is successful, and during attempted rebounding action, a foul is called on A2.
The lane is cleared, and A1 shoots the second freethrow. If it is successful, will the throw-in by team B be a spot throw-in, or may they run the endline?

My first question would be... is the foul during the successful free throw count? My initial thought is that the foul is ignored, unless it is flagrant. Therefore the rest of the scenario doesn't matter.

However, if the foul is not ignored, and the result carried out as you explain, then I'd say "no, the throw-in is in response to the foul, and therefore it is a spot throw-in."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

My first question would be... is the foul during the successful free throw count? My initial thought is that the foul is ignored, unless it is flagrant. Therefore the rest of the scenario doesn't matter.

However, if the foul is not ignored, and the result carried out as you explain, then I'd say "no, the throw-in is in response to the foul, and therefore it is a spot throw-in."

Now that bob has answered the initial question, I have to ask:

Why would it be ignored? Is the ball dead during a free throw?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Now that bob has answered the initial question, I have to ask:

Why would it be ignored? Is the ball dead during a free throw?

No. I guess the old rule on when players can enter the lane has me confused, because up until the change the free throw would have been made before there was even a chance for a foul. This year though, since players can enter upon the release, fouls can certainly happen before the ball goes into the basket.

As you pointed out, the ball is live, so the foul counts.

So what about the 2nd part, then? Is Team B's ability to run the baseline contingent on whether the second free throw is successful? Because if Team B is given the throw-in due to the foul, then that should be a spot throw-in.

[Adam]

If A's FT is successful, B can run the endline (bob provided the references above).

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

If A's FT is successful, B can run the endline (bob provided the references above).

I don't have the rule book in front of me. It's actually in the bathroom as I read it during my "breaks". I try to answer questions here from memory, which sometimes fails me.

Thanks for the answer.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Run.

See 7.5.7B (it's kind of the "opposite" play so apply the "opposite" ruling).

See 8.6.3A

Maybe some others

It would be an interesting strategy to intentionally miss the last free throw knowing you have the arrow. Especially late in a game where possession was more important than the 1 point.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

No. I guess the old rule on when players can enter the lane has me confused, because up until the change the free throw would have been made before there was even a chance for a foul. This year though, since players can enter upon the release, fouls can certainly happen before the ball goes into the basket.

Fouls were possible before, just less likely. Players in adjacent spaces could have easily fouled each other without violating the FT provisions. Players not along the lane could have also fouled each other. Not being able to go into the lane under the old rule just reduced the probability of it happening.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I don't have the rule book in front of me. It's actually in the bathroom as I read it during my "breaks". I try to answer questions here from memory, which sometimes fails me.

Thanks for the answer.

Honestly, I've found that's a better way for me to learn. Answer from memory and then check to see if I'm right. I've also found, though, that I put myself at risk of getting answers wrong (less so now than I used to) when I do that, so it results in a few more posts to the effect of, "Yep, you're right, thanks."

We all learn differently.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Team A is in the bonus, team B is not. A1 is at the line to shoot a 1 and 1. The first shot is successful, and during attempted rebounding action, a foul is called on A2. The lane is cleared, and A1 shoots the second free throw. If it is successful, will the throw-in by team B be a spot throw-in, or may they run the endline?

This situation can be changed up a little. Maybe the foul on A2 was Team A's seventh foul of the half and now Team B is in the bonus. How do you like those potatoes?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This situation can be changed up a little. Maybe the foul on A2 was Team A's seventh foul of the half and now Team B is in the bonus. How do you like those potatoes?

That makes it easier, IMO.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

That makes it easier, IMO.

I agree. A lot less explaining to the coaches.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by j51969

It would be an interesting strategy to intentionally miss the last free throw knowing you have the arrow. Especially late in a game where possession was more important than the 1 point.

Another reason to eliminate AP and return to Jump Balls put the ball back into play. Billy, are you reading this, .

MTD, Sr.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by j51969

It would be an interesting strategy to intentionally miss the last free throw knowing you have the arrow. Especially late in a game where possession was more important than the 1 point.

The ball is already in flight for this case play, so that would be kinda hard to do.

But anyway, it is no different than any other time a double foul is called while a field goal is in flight.