New NFHS Free Throw Rule.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can someone discuss trail responsibilities on free throws and my thinking that it would be nice for trail to be responsible for everyone outside the 3 point line?

Two or three person?

Peace

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

Can someone discuss trail responsibilities on free throws and my thinking that it would be nice for trail to be responsible for everyone outside the 3 point line?

Interestingly, the IAABO manual doesn't say anything about who is responsible for players outside marked lane spaces in 2-person or 3-person. That being said, logic dictates the T would handle those players.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Interestingly, the IAABO manual doesn't say anything about who is responsible for players outside marked lane spaces in 2-person or 3-person.

It's the honor system. The players call violations on themselves.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

It's the honor system. The players call violations on themselves.

Bill:

I am laughing so hard I can hardly type. Back in the ancient days of women's college basketball when the National Association for Girls and Women in Sport (NAGWS) wrote the rules for women's college basketball there was a section at the front of the rules book every year entitled: HONOR CALLS.

The section read as such:

"The joint NAGWS-AAU basketball rules committee supports the official position of the National Association for Girls and Women in Sport that sport participants should be encouraged to acknowledge fouls and violations when appropriate.

"The Joint Committee does not, at this time, specify specific honor calls; however, it is understood that players should recognize their improprieties.

"This position is justified in light of the committee's belief that sport is a positive force in solidarity, encourages integrity, provides enriching encounters is an education experience and a reflection of our society's valuable qualities."

Not once in all of the years that I officiated women's college basketball when it was played under NAGWS Rules did I have a player make an honor call on herself. I officiated many heated Division I games between Univ. of Miami (UM) and Florida International Univ. (FIU), UM and Florida State (FSU), FIU and FSU, UM and Univ. of Florida (UF), and FIU and UF. It just never would have happened.

But, I will say one thing, after every game, my partner and I would meet at center court and every player and coach from both teams would line up and shake our hands and thank us for officiating the game, even after tournament games. Can you see that happening now, LOL!

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... sport participants should be encouraged to acknowledge fouls and violations when appropriate.

We've discussed this on the Forum in the past (love the Bryon collared shirt):

http://www.values.com/inspirational-...106-Basketball

And from another sport:

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm happy for the change, but I don't see any less hair splitting now than before.

Exactly. That hair has just been repositioned. The same decision must still be made for those willing to make it.

[Kansas Ref]

Well in our state the new FT rule does not go into effect until Nov 1st, so all of the summer league games I've reffed (and am reffing now) are utilizing the current NFHS rule. No reason for teams to be using a rule that theoretially does not 'exist' as of yet; however, when the rule does go into effect I know there will be the usual array of missed calls and mistaken calls which is typical for the implementation of novel rules. I expect that FT shooters who use a "hitch" in their release will draw lane violations from both their team mates and opponents. (by 'hitch' in the FT shot, rem'ber like grand-mama larry johnson used to shoot his FTs: holding the ball high and just before releasing FT he would stop in mid-form and pause for a second, then release the shot).

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

No reason for teams to be using a rule that theoretically does not 'exist' as of yet;

Do those leagues think the rule change is going to be rescinded before November or something? They don't want to get anyone's hopes up?

[Kansas Ref]

That rule will not be rescinded at all, it has already been determined to go into effect; however, since it does not exist yet, the leagues are correctly using the current NFHS rule. I have no problem with that and niether should any coaches or players.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

That rule will not be rescinded at all, it has already been determined to go into effect; however, since it does not exist yet, the leagues are correctly using the current NFHS rule. I have no problem with that and niether should any coaches or players.

Isn't the purpose of playing summer ball is to prepare for the upcoming season? Not sure what you mean by the rule does not exist yet. I would assume if a up coming Freshman can play with their high school and they are not exactly a Freshman yet until the school year starts either if we use that logic. I guess, not big deal just sounds like weird logic not to apply a new rule.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Now that we have had a summer of camps using the new rule in preparation of the coming year, how did everybody find the teams adjusting to the new rule?

My observations were as such: The boys adjusted very well. BUT, the girls were a horse of different color. I found that the girls were even worse than under the old rule. I could not believe how many times I had players in the lane before the shooter had released the ball and calling the violation did not teach the players any lessons.

Just my observations.

MTD, Sr.

To me and what I have seen, players were leaving before the shot anyway and officials werent calling it anyway.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

To me and what I have seen, players were leaving before the shot anyway and officials werent calling it anyway.

MTD, Jr., and I have always (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) call it.

MTD, Sr.

[PAULK1]

They changed the rule awhile back because play got too rough and officials
were not calling the fouls, now they changed the rule back because officals were not calling the violations. Can we assume they will change it back after
x number of years when the fouls dont get called and play gets rough again. Maybe its a circle of life thing.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by PAULK1

They changed the rule awhile back because play got too rough and officials
were not calling the fouls, now they changed the rule back because officals were not calling the violations. Can we assume they will change it back after
x number of years when the fouls dont get called and play gets rough again. Maybe its a circle of life thing.

Solution: No one on the lane. Ball to B after the FTs (whether made or missed).

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Solution: No one on the lane. Ball to B after the FTs (whether made or missed).

Bob:

And I thought I was a radical old cuss, !

MTD, Sr.