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Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 03:32pm
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Why would they do that?
I worked a tournament that did this. I asked why and was told the new 2014-2015 rules changes do not take effect until the school year starts in August.
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Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 05:06pm
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I worked a tournament that did this. I asked why and was told the new 2014-2015 rules changes do not take effect until the school year starts in August.
Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.
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Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 07:38pm
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Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.

While I agree that it is smart for team camps to incorporate the new rules the national organization (AAU, YBOA, and AYBT, etc.) use the previous season's rule: This year the national tournaments for the organizations were played using 2013-14 rules.

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Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.
Yeah I agree. It was just those few games though, all other games I did this summer were on the release.

I was initially surprised at the number of 3 point line violations, I thought the kids would have been told. Then I remembered I was dealing with AAU coaches. I'm sure it won't be a problem during the high school season. Fouls during jostling of rebounding position on the other hand....
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Old Mon Aug 11, 2014, 09:26pm
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I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
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I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
I saw a few and was dying to bust them on it, but every time I saw it the shooter made the FT! Stupid delayed violations....
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I saw a lot of defenders in the top lane space breaking the plane of the FT line and invading the shooter's space.
When are they (defenders) allowed to break the plane (going "backward") of the free throw line? I know that the shooter must wait for the "hit".
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One key mechanic that's going to be all-the-more important is for C and T (T in two-person) not to bail on the FT release. Stepping down on the shot and providing avid surveillance of rebounding action in respective areas will be of utmost significance and necessity. Partners accustomed to bail on the release will put a crew in tough situations. Confident, accurate foul calls while striding the opposite way seem quite contrary to nature.
Watch video from throughout the nation. This is gonna be a challenging habit to break in many, many officials. Locally, this has got to be a specific POE.
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I saw a few and was dying to bust them on it, but every time I saw it the shooter made the FT! Stupid delayed violations....
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When are they (defenders) allowed to break the plane (going "backward") of the free throw line? I know that the shooter must wait for the "hit".
There's no violation for going "backward" into the FT semicircle assuming the player did so within the parameters of the rule, i.e., (s)he left their lane space after the try was released. The only option for penalizing the defensive team would be a foul for contacting the thrower if it's warranted.
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There's no violation for going "backward" into the FT semicircle assuming the player did so within the parameters of the rule, i.e., (s)he left their lane space after the try was released. The only option for penalizing the defensive team would be a foul for contacting the thrower if it's warranted.
I haven't seen a 2014-15 rulebook, but I was officiating for quite a while before the "wait till it hits" rule was put into the book.

Before the rule changed years ago, the defender was not allowed to break the plane of the FT line until the ball hit as defenders were aggressively boxing out shooters while they were in their follow-through. I'm guessing that rule was quietly removed when the rule changed and it will be interesting to see if it makes a return.
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I had no problems with the rules. I work college so it was like riding an old bike. It worked out well and in a couple of cases things were rough, but you call the fouls and that went away.

I love the rule and it is no different than officiating rebounding action in any other part of the game.

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I love the rule and it is no different than officiating rebounding action in any other part of the game.
Why do you love the rule?
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Really poor decision by the summer tournament people as that doesn't prepare the kids for the upcoming HS season. Areas which play by the old rules in the summer have to del with the adjustment period being during the first part of the HS season. That isn't a positive.
The folks who run summer ball here have no connection to the high schools; maybe they don't feel it's their concern to worry about what the HS coaches need to adjust to. Also, maybe they want to utilize only rules that are publicized in a rule book.
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