question about double dribble

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by schwza

This is a question from a pickup basketball game, but nobody really knows the rules, so I thought I'd ask some actual referees.

3. Instead of picking it up, he starts dribbling again.

#3 is the only one that is a violation. When the dribbler touches the ball with both hands, the dribble has ended. When he dribbles again, violation.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by schwza

A player is dribbling the ball, and then begins to pick it up. He touches the ball with both hands at the same time, but does not control it, and it bounces on the floor. He picks it up ... He starts dribbling again.

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

... When he dribbles again, violation.

When is the violation called? When the ball is released toward the floor? When the ball is released toward the floor, and hits the floor? When the ball is released toward the floor, hits the floor, and is subsequently tapped to the floor?

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

When is the violation called? When the ball is released toward the floor? When the ball is released toward the floor, and hits the floor? When the ball is released toward the floor, hits the floor, and is subsequently tapped to the floor?

You don't know it's a dribble until the ball handler touches it again after releasing it. Until then it could just be a really lousy pass.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

You don't know it's a dribble until the ball handler touches it again after releasing it. Until then it could just be a really lousy pass.

I agree with you, but the definition states that the "second" illegal dribble starts when the ball is pushed, thrown, or batted to the floor.

4-15-3: The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing, or batting the ball
to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted.

[bob jenkins]

It's the same old crap that gets brought up everytime we have this discussion. If NFHS clarified it, you'd be the firsts to know.

Until then, just officiate. It's never been an issue -- and if you happen to call it too soon, just decalre an inadvertant whistle.

[BktBallRef]

From the time the ball touches both hands until the time the ball hits the floor might be 3 tenths of a second. Are we really splitting that hair?

And some people say there are no stupid questions. smh

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

From the time the ball touches both hands until the time the ball hits the floor might be 3 tenths of a second. Are we really splitting that hair?

Add a few tenths of a second if the official wants to wait until the ball is touched after it bounces off the floor before he calls the illegal dribble violation.