Summer ejection #1

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's take this a step further.

Regular season game. AC starts chirping, so you tell the HC to control his bench. The AC gets up and moves off the bench, to another part of the gym. He remains mouthy.

Toss? Whack?

Originally Posted by Adam

Probably not, but he's getting less rope than a normal fan before I have him removed. I'm also filing a report with my association and the state.

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

If we deem him to still be an assistant...whack.

For funsies, at what point is he no longer bench personnel? Is it once he's beyond the confines of the bench area?

#2: Can he come and go?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For funsies, at what point is he no longer bench personnel? Is it once he's beyond the confines of the bench area?

#2: Can he come and go?

Honestly, if he heads back to the bench after sitting in the stands, I'm going to get ring him up then and there for leaving the bench.

If he never goes back, I'm going to assume he was out of place on the bench and never really belonged there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Honestly, if he heads back to the bench after sitting in the stands, I'm going to get ring him up then and there for leaving the bench.

If he never goes back, I'm going to assume he was out of place on the bench and never really belonged there.

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Adam

Honestly, if he heads back to the bench after sitting in the stands, I'm going to get ring him up then and there for leaving the bench.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

Here's the rub.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rooster

But coaches are bench personnel, not team members... 4-34-4

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

10-5-5 The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

4-34-4 A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

10-5-5 is for team members, not for bench personnel. Interesting.

How about taking this approach (below)?

10-1-4 A team shall not: Fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

4-34-2 Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s).

4-34-2 implies that the coaches are part of a team, and thus, according to 10-1-4, coaches, being part of the team, must occupy their bench.

Note that 10-1-4 says "team" not "team members".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

That would be an authorized reason, IMO. Going to sit in the stands and bitch to the officials wouldn't be.

You're right, the penalty would be for standing up: although I think 10-5-5 is meant to include coaches. I highly doubt the NFHS wants coaches to be able to move, at will, from the stands to the bench.

Is it ok for the AC to coach from the stands? What if he only moves during times he is legally authorized to stand (timeouts, intermissions, etc)?

If he wants to abdicate his role on the bench and become a spectator, I'll let it slide; but as soon as he makes it clear that wasn't his intent, he's getting stung for leaving the bench area for an unauthorized reason.

I'm applying 10-5-5 unless someone can convince me this isn't an example of a coach trying to give himself an advantage not intended by the rules.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm applying 10-5-5 unless someone can convince me this isn't an example of a coach trying to give himself an advantage not intended by the rules.

10-5-5 only applies to team members, who, by definition, are members of bench personnel who are in uniform, and are eligible to become players. 10-5-5 does not apply to bench personnel who are not in uniform, i.e. coaches.

It is my contention that 10-1-4 could apply to coaches, who are part of the team, and, thus, must occupy the team bench to which it has been assigned.

It does make a difference. 10-1-4 is only a technical charged to the team. 10-5-5 is a technical charged directly to the head coach, who must now sit, and is only one direct technical away from getting the old heave-ho.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

10-5-5 only applies to team members, who, by definition, are members of bench personnel who are in uniform, and are eligible to become players. 10-5-5 does not apply to bench personnel who are not in uniform, i.e. coaches.

It is my contention that 10-1-4 could apply to coaches, who are part of the team, and, thus, must occupy the team bench to which it has been assigned.

It does make a difference. 10-1-4 is only a technical charged to the team. 10-5-5 is a technical charged directly to the head coach, who must now sit, and is only one direct technical away from getting the old heave-ho.

My point is that it seems clear to me that the NFHS wants all team members within the bench area, except at half time. I'm all for knowing what the rules say, but don't you have to charge the head coach if you're going to use 10-1-4 instead of 10-5-5?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

Don't you have to charge the head coach if you're going to use 10-1-4 instead of 10-5-5?

No. 10-1-4 is a team technical, charged to the team, not to the head coach, a similar penalty to a delay of game technical foul, or a technical foul for requesting (and being granted) an excess time-out.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For funsies, at what point is he no longer bench personnel? Is it once he's beyond the confines of the bench area?

#2: Can he come and go?

In a regular HS contest there is a penalty for team members leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason.
Strictly speaking, an assistant coach or team manager cannot stand up without receiving a technical foul, except for a few specific circumstances.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In a regular HS contest there is a penalty for team members leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason.

But coaches are bench personnel, not team members... 4-34-4