Summer ejection #1

[Adam]

Probably not, but he's getting less rope than a normal fan before I have him removed. I'm also filing a report with my association and the state.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's take this a step further.

Regular season game. AC starts chirping, so you tell the HC to control his bench. The AC gets up and moves off the bench, to another part of the gym. He remains mouthy.

Toss? Whack?

Well, if it is a regular season game I probably wouldn't be working one man mechanics so there would be an official by the bench to address the situation. But to address the probable question; Yes, I would tell the HC to control his bench. If the AC leaves the bench area I would have to think about this one for a moment...probably address it with the partner(s) at next dead ball. If he is still mouthy we need to decide if he is still an AC or a spectator (I can't remember seeing this addressed in the rules or case book). If he is a spectator and mouthy to the point of needing to be addressed, then I am telling the game administrators to try to calm him down before I have to address it (probably catch flack here for that, but I try to avoid tossing fans at "real" games). If we deem him to still be an assistant...whack.

I am going to need to ask about this at the camp I am attending in a few weeks. Honestly though, for now I am going to focus on the cruise I have between now and then (summer ball is over for me) .

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's take this a step further.

Regular season game. AC starts chirping, so you tell the HC to control his bench. The AC gets up and moves off the bench, to another part of the gym. He remains mouthy.

Toss? Whack?

Originally Posted by Adam

Probably not, but he's getting less rope than a normal fan before I have him removed. I'm also filing a report with my association and the state.

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

If we deem him to still be an assistant...whack.

For funsies, at what point is he no longer bench personnel? Is it once he's beyond the confines of the bench area?

#2: Can he come and go?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by APG

Who's watching the other 8 players?

They aren't being paid enough to look at those players.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For funsies, at what point is he no longer bench personnel? Is it once he's beyond the confines of the bench area?

#2: Can he come and go?

Honestly, if he heads back to the bench after sitting in the stands, I'm going to get ring him up then and there for leaving the bench.

If he never goes back, I'm going to assume he was out of place on the bench and never really belonged there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For funsies, at what point is he no longer bench personnel? Is it once he's beyond the confines of the bench area?

#2: Can he come and go?

In a regular HS contest there is a penalty for team members leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason.
Strictly speaking, an assistant coach or team manager cannot stand up without receiving a technical foul, except for a few specific circumstances.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Honestly, if he heads back to the bench after sitting in the stands, I'm going to get ring him up then and there for leaving the bench.

If he never goes back, I'm going to assume he was out of place on the bench and never really belonged there.

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

In a regular HS contest there is a penalty for team members leaving the bench for an unauthorized reason.

But coaches are bench personnel, not team members... 4-34-4

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Adam

Honestly, if he heads back to the bench after sitting in the stands, I'm going to get ring him up then and there for leaving the bench.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

Here's the rub.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rooster

But coaches are bench personnel, not team members... 4-34-4

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

10-5-5 The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

4-34-4 A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player.

10-5-5 is for team members, not for bench personnel. Interesting.

How about taking this approach (below)?

10-1-4 A team shall not: Fail to occupy the team member’s bench to which it is assigned.

4-34-2 Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s).

4-34-2 implies that the coaches are part of a team, and thus, according to 10-1-4, coaches, being part of the team, must occupy their bench.

Note that 10-1-4 says "team" not "team members".

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Let's take this a step further.

Regular season game. AC starts chirping, so you tell the HC to control his bench. The AC gets up and moves off the bench, to another part of the gym. He remains mouthy.

Toss? Whack?

Whack!! Leaving the bench area for an unauthorized reason.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I have a story about whacking a basketball HC for leaving the bench area, but it will have to wait of later tonight.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Can you please direct me to the language in the rules book stating that the assistant coach may not leave the bench during the game. Perhaps he needs to use the restroom.

That would be an authorized reason, IMO. Going to sit in the stands and bitch to the officials wouldn't be.

You're right, the penalty would be for standing up: although I think 10-5-5 is meant to include coaches. I highly doubt the NFHS wants coaches to be able to move, at will, from the stands to the bench.

Is it ok for the AC to coach from the stands? What if he only moves during times he is legally authorized to stand (timeouts, intermissions, etc)?

If he wants to abdicate his role on the bench and become a spectator, I'll let it slide; but as soon as he makes it clear that wasn't his intent, he's getting stung for leaving the bench area for an unauthorized reason.

I'm applying 10-5-5 unless someone can convince me this isn't an example of a coach trying to give himself an advantage not intended by the rules.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Adam

Knowing Rich, I'm relatively certain he isn't trigger happy with the technical fouls. I can safely assume that if I saw this video, I'd happily concur with the first T. The second is automatic BY RULE.

There, fixed it for ya!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

There, fixed it for ya!

Send me a bill.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm applying 10-5-5 unless someone can convince me this isn't an example of a coach trying to give himself an advantage not intended by the rules.

10-5-5 only applies to team members, who, by definition, are members of bench personnel who are in uniform, and are eligible to become players. 10-5-5 does not apply to bench personnel who are not in uniform, i.e. coaches.

It is my contention that 10-1-4 could apply to coaches, who are part of the team, and, thus, must occupy the team bench to which it has been assigned.

It does make a difference. 10-1-4 is only a technical charged to the team. 10-5-5 is a technical charged directly to the head coach, who must now sit, and is only one direct technical away from getting the old heave-ho.