Transitioning 3-man to 2-man crew.

[Adam]

Fair enough. In that case, I think waiting would be appropriate. It's not our job to chase the ball around, IMO. Dead ball periods are more vital for all available eyes to be on the players. Normally, if it ends up in the stands, there's an 8 year old thrilled to throw it to the refs.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Adam

Fair enough. In that case, I think waiting would be appropriate. It's not our job to chase the ball around, IMO. Dead ball periods are more vital for all available eyes to be on the players. Normally, if it ends up in the stands, there's an 8 year old thrilled to throw it to the refs.

Agree that waiting will usually solve the problem. I think the point would be that it's not necessarily the players job either. So "let them" get the ball but don't "direct them" to get the ball.

"White 21 ... go get the ball please" isn't something I'm going to say. I'm going to go get the ball myself if we are truly at a standstill.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Agree that waiting will usually solve the problem. I think the point would be that it's not necessarily the players job either. So "let them" get the ball but don't "direct them" to get the ball.

"White 21 ... go get the ball please" isn't something I'm going to say. I'm going to go get the ball myself if we are truly at a standstill.

I'll ask, but only if it takes longer than normal. Even then, it's "Can I get some help with the ball?"

I don't mind the stand-still.

The situation has always resolved itself before the stand-still, though.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Agree that waiting will usually solve the problem. I think the point would be that it's not necessarily the players job either. So "let them" get the ball but don't "direct them" to get the ball.

"White 21 ... go get the ball please" isn't something I'm going to say. I'm going to go get the ball myself if we are truly at a standstill.

Not me. I'd go find a drink first. I don't chase basketballs.

[Raymond]

About 90% of my summer games are at same facility. We get $23-25/game. The on site game admin for all the AAU tournaments is the national coordinator for AAU officiating, and also a neutral observer for my top college conference. I can get away with limited switches and long distance reporting in 2-man to keep the games moving, but anything that could be construed as lazy or unprofessional would be very detrimental to my career.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

About 90% of my summer games are at same facility. We get $23-25/game. The on site game admin for all the AAU tournaments is the national coordinator for AAU officiating, and also a neutral observer for my top college conference. I can get away with limited switches and long distance reporting in 2-man to keep the games moving, but anything that could be construed as lazy or unprofessional would be very detrimental to my career.

Surprised that you would put yourself in a position which could turn out to "be very detrimental to your career" for $23-$25 per game.

AAU has a national coordinator of officiating? Can't believe that organization gives a darn in any way about officiating. To hear that their national coordinator is only offering $25 a game, makes it clear why so many of those AAU tournaments try get the officials for cut rates. No thanks!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

To hear that their national coordinator is only offering $25 a game, makes it clear why so many of those AAU tournaments try get the officials for cut rates. No thanks!

I do not consider a running clock game that might last an hour "cut rate." Not to say that is a great fee, but it is not like if you do those games you are doing all the stuff you would during the regular season.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not consider a running clock game that might last an hour "cut rate." Not to say that is a great fee, but it is not like if you do those games you are doing all the stuff you would during the regular season.

Who said it was running clock?
AAU tournaments in my area are always stop-clock.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Surprised that you would put yourself in a position which could turn out to "be very detrimental to your career" for $23-$25 per game.

AAU has a national coordinator of officiating? Can't believe that organization gives a darn in any way about officiating. To hear that their national coordinator is only offering $25 a game, makes it clear why so many of those AAU tournaments try get the officials for cut rates. No thanks!

He has nothing to do with paying or assigning local officials for AAU. I said he was site admin for local tournaments.

AAU has national officials who travel to different sites to work games every summer. He is the 1 who vets the applications for national officials.

[Rich1]

Around these parts games are hard to come by, even at $22 per game. For almost all tournaments refs are coordinated by someone in our chapter (but aren't really chapter games) and most of us only work these "chapter" related games because there is some level of protection from summer ball problems like not getting paid timely, no admin support for refs at games, etc. Most of these games go to very experienced refs (JV to College) and I don't know of anyone in our area that has that attitude that they are too good to work summer ball.

Most of us use summer ball to hone our skills and stay fresh. We do get a little relaxed in our reporting, switching and rotating but not to the point of being lazy or compromising the game. For the most part, the attitude isto tret every game lije its a "real" game because uts real to the players and they deserve our best effort. If paired with a less experienced ref, we will focus on helping them with mechanics and I always try to pick one or two things I want to focus on to improve.

Almost every weekend there are tournaments with teams from 6th grade all the way up to Varsity college showcases (including AAU) and we probably use between 75 most weekends and up to 200 people when there are multiple tournaments. If we had people refusing then it would be tough to cover some weekends.

I know $22 isn't much but since I like bball enough to do this for free the I am happy to take it. I don't have to travel farand work 6 - 12 games a weekend so its worth it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He has nothing to do with pworking er assigning local officials for AAU. I said he was site xxx iteadmin for local tournaments.

AAU has national officials who travel to different sites to work games every summer. He is the 1 who vets the applications for national officials.

To update, today I witnessed the national officials working at the local venue go into a meeting with the national on-site observer to discuss an issue they were having, so there is accountability.

Also the national coordinator does not intervene in local AAU officiating matters. If he sees or hears about something questionable while working as site administration, he will request that the local assignors observe the officials.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

About 90% of my summer games are at same facility. We get $23-25/game. The on site game admin for all the AAU tournaments is the national coordinator for AAU officiating, and also a neutral observer for my top college conference. I can get away with limited switches and long distance reporting in 2-man to keep the games moving, but anything that could be construed as lazy or unprofessional would be very detrimental to my career.

In my area, these games are basically assigning warm bodies. Most veteran or experienced officials do not even take these games unless they are basically "whoring" for the money. That has included me as well from time to time. I do not do these games really for any other reason but to possibly see more plays. But if the money was not a factor, I would stay home. Otherwise it is not that deep or no one of significance is evaluating officials based off of what is done at this level. And in many cases a person is working 5 and 6 games in a row. This just goes to show that we all live in different officiating cultures.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

In my area, these games are basically assigning warm bodies. Most veteran or experienced officials do not even take these games unless they are basically "whoring" for the money. That has included me as well from time to time. I do not do these games really for any other reason but to possibly see more plays. But if the money was not a factor, I would stay home. Otherwise it is not that deep or no one of significance is evaluating officials based off of what is done at this level. And in many cases a person is working 5 and 6 games in a row. This just goes to show that we all live in different officiating cultures.

Peace

Me too. I'm doing 4 JV level games next Sunday back to back and it's to put a C-note in my pocket. I'm going to Disney World next month with the family and with all the prepaid stuff I already feel like I'm hemorrhaging money.

[dsqrddgd909]

Rich,

Just keep saying to yourself, "Disney money is not like real money."

I almost blew a gasket last time I was there. 2 hot dogs and 2 drinks was more than $20.

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by Rich

I'm going to Disney World next month with the family and with all the prepaid stuff I already feel like I'm hemorrhaging money.

Rich - If you think your spending now, wait 'til you get there!

Roger