"Purple" or "Blue"

[johnny d]

There are HS guys around here that ask for and will only talk to the speaking captain as well. What a stupid idea. When I am the R, I never ask who the speaking captain is since it means absolutely nothing to me. I will talk to and answer questions for just about any player that speaks to me in a respectful manner, whether they are the speaking captain, a captain, or just a regular player. Further, I have encountered many games were my partner has asked who the speaking captain is, and that player has turned out to be the biggest jackass in the game. Another antiquated and useless practice that just wont seem to go away.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

... ask for ... the speaking captain ...

"What's your number? Are you starting?"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

... speaking captain ... What a stupid idea ... Another antiquated and useless practice that just wont seem to go away.

I agree with you, but, lighten up. This is another one of those "When in Rome" moments.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by johnny d

There are HS guys around here that ask for and will only talk to the speaking captain as well. What a stupid idea. When I am the R, I never ask who the speaking captain is since it means absolutely nothing to me. I will talk to and answer questions for just about any player that speaks to me in a respectful manner....

I won't go rulebook digging right now, but I'm quite certain the rule says that any player (read: checked into the game) may address an official.

Originally Posted by bainsey

I won't go rulebook digging right now, but I'm quite certain the rule says that any player (read: checked into the game) may address an official.

Yeah but the rulebook also says a team is composed of five players, one of whom is the captain. Not sure why anyone would need to know who that one guy is though...

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Not sure why anyone would need to know who that one guy is though...

Notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the
game.

The captain is the representative of his/her team and may address
an official on matters of interpretation or to obtain essential information, if it is
done in a courteous manner.

A captain may request a defensive match-up if three or more substitutes
from the same team enter during an opportunity to substitute.

The free throw(s) awarded because of a personal foul shall be attempted by the
offended player. If such player must withdraw because of an injury or
disqualification, his/her substitute shall attempt the throw(s) unless no substitute
is available, in which case any teammate may attempt the throw(s) as selected by
the team captain or head coach.

The free throws awarded because of a technical foul may be attempted by any
player of the offended team, including an eligible substitute or designated starter.
The coach or captain shall designate the free thrower(s).

I get your point Billy but there is a difference between what the rulebook allows and what actually happens during typical game. (Slight exaggeration added below).

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Notifying the captains when play is about to begin at the start of the game.

Literally no one has ever done this.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The captain is the representative of his/her team and may address an official on matters of interpretation or to obtain essential information, if it is done in a courteous manner.

I'll let any player address me if done in a courteous manner.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

A captain may request a defensive match-up if three or more substitutes from the same team enter during an opportunity to substitute.

No player has ever asked for this.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The free throw(s) awarded because of a personal foul shall be attempted by the offended player. If such player must withdraw because of an injury or disqualification, his/her substitute shall attempt the throw(s) unless no substitute is available, in which case any teammate may attempt the throw(s) as selected by the team captain or head coach.

Head coach always chooses.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The free throws awarded because of a technical foul may be attempted by any player of the offended team, including an eligible substitute or designated starter. The coach or captain shall designate the free thrower(s).

Head coach always chooses.

[bob jenkins]

At least two of those (notifying captains; asking for a match-up) are incorrect.

And, at least a few times a season, the captain can come in handy to help deal with a different player. It especially seems to help get the message across when you use the first name.

[BryanV21]

We use the "speaking captain" more as a liaison between us and his/her teammates, not the only person on the team that can speak to us. That doesn't mean we won't talk to any of the players, but some times things happen in which we'll go to the "speaking captain" for help.

Take a situation in which a player is getting frustrated and could become a problem. We'll try and talk to the player, but the player clearly doesn't want to listen to us. In that case we'll go to the "speaking captain" and tell them to calm their team mate down. Sure, we may go to the coach instead or in addition to the "speaking captain", but there are cases in which having one "go to" player can come in handy.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

At least two of those (notifying captains; asking for a match-up) are incorrect.

Notifying captains: 2-7. Asking for matchup: 3-3-E.

I know that I'm walking on thin ice if I don't always listen to bob, but how are either of these incorrect?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I get your point Billy but there is a difference between what the rulebook allows and what actually happens during typical game. (Slight exaggeration added below).



Literally no one has ever done this.

Wrong. I notify the captains before every toss I make.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rich

Wrong. I notify the captains before every toss I make.

Isn't that outlined in the Mechanics Manual as part of the proper procedure???

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Rich

Wrong. I notify the captains before every toss I make.

Because walking to the center circle with the ball in your hand is not signal enough that the game is about to start?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Wrong. I notify the captains before every toss I make.

I notify everyone....so I get the captains whether I know who they are or not.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Literally no one has ever done this ... No player has ever asked for this.

Literally? Really? I let all the players, including the captains, know that I'm ready to start, just before I sound my whistle for the opening jump ball. Since I don't ask for a "speaking" captain, I direct my comments to all ten players, which should include the two "speaking" captains, assuming that the two "speaking" captains are starters. We have officials that do ask for "speaking" captains, and several of them remember who they are and actually ask each individually, often by name, if they are ready before sounding their whistle for the opening tap.

AremRed: No player has ever asked you for a "lineup", or a "matchup"? You must be a rookie official with only ten, or fifteen, maybe twenty, years of experience. In thirty-three years I bet that I've been asked about a half dozen times, including a few in high school games. Of course, this rule did disappear from the rulebook for several years, and then magically reappear. We used to do this around the nearest of three, that's right, three, jump ball circles.