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This does bring up a point about "blind screens" that's been rumbling around in my head. Obviously players can't run around with their eyes closed but when I think about blind screens I've always interpreted that as a screen that is set to a players back where they are incapable of seeing the screen. If a player positions themselves in another periferal vision but the other just doesn't see them because they are not aware I don't see that as the same thing. In the case of the OP she is not looking in the direction she's running I don't consider that a "blind screen".
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You are correct.
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The difference between a blind screen on a moving opponent and a blind screen on a stationary opponent is how much room the screener must give the opponent. If they're moving, it's the standard one to two normal steps/strides relative to the opponent's speed. If they're stationary it's one normal step (whatever "normal" may be).
Panther you're right: This wasn't a blind screen because it was set to the defender's side. If she doesn't see it, that's her problem but the time/distance part of the equation still applies.
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Let's Chat About Screens ...
NFHS 4-40 Screen
ART. 1 A screen is legal action by a player who, without causing contact, delays or prevents an opponent from reaching a desired position. ART. 2 To establish a legal screening position: a. The screener may face any direction. b. Time and distance are relevant. c. The screener must be stationary, except when both are moving in the same path and the same direction. d. The screener must stay within his/her vertical plane with a stance approximately shoulder width apart. ART. 3 When screening a stationary opponent from the front or side (within the visual field), the screener may be anywhere short of contact. ART. 4 When screening a stationary opponent from behind (outside the visual field), the screener must allow the opponent one normal step backward without contact. ART. 5 When screening a moving opponent, the screener must allow the opponent time and distance to avoid contact by stopping or changing direction. The speed of the player to be screened will determine where the screener may take his/her stationary position. The position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from the opponent. ART. 6 When screening an opponent who is moving in the same path and direction as the screener, the player behind is responsible if contact is made because the player in front slows up or stops and the player behind overruns his/her opponent. ART. 7 A player who is screened within his/her visual field is expected to avoid contact by going around the screener. In cases of screens outside the visual field, the opponent may make inadvertent contact with the screener and if the opponent is running rapidly, the contact may be severe. Such a case is to be ruled as incidental contact provided the opponent stops or attempts to stop on contact and moves around the screen, and provided the screener is not displaced if he/she has the ball. ART. 8 A player may not use the arms, hands, hips or shoulders to force his/her way through a screen or to hold the screener and then push the screener aside in order to maintain a guarding position on an opponent. Quote:
Is this (below) the NFHS "definition" of a blind screen? 4-27 Incidental Contact Incidental contact is contact with an opponent which is permitted and which does not constitute a foul. Art. 4 A player who is screened within his/her visual field is expected to avoid contact with the screener by stopping or going around the screener. In cases of screens outside the visual field, the opponent may make inadvertent contact with the screener, and such contact is to be ruled incidental contact, provided the screener is not displaced if he/she has the ball. Once again, I see little about the direction that the player's body is facing, it seems to be more about the direction that the eyes are facing.
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I also did a casebook search, and a rulebook search, for the word "blind" and nothing came up.
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10.6.11 SITUATION D: A1 is running toward A's goal but is looking back to receive a pass. B1 takes a position in the path of A1 while A1 is 10 feet away from B1. (a) A1 runs into B1 before receiving the ball; or (b) A1 receives the ball and before taking a step contacts B1. RULING: In both (a) and (b), A1 is responsible for *contact. In (a), B1's position is legal if A1 has been given two strides prior to *contact. In (b), since the position of B1 is legal when A1 has the ball, the contact is charging by A1. (4-40) Last edited by Nevadaref; Thu Jun 05, 2014 at 07:25pm. |
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I am going to vote for illegal screen on this play. The rules don't say you have to be full run to give the two steps. ... In an open court situation like the one in this play and moving as fast as it was is enough for the two steps. But as everyone says this is what naked this a judgment call
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(I'm still looking for Nevadaref's case play that differentiates between screens from the "side", and screens from "behind".)
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You had it all along! The definitions which I thought were in the Casebook are actually contained within the Rules book. The articles above tell you that the front or side is within the visual field and that from behind is not. Although these articles are for stationary opponents the definitions provided for what constitutes the visual field apply to moving players as well. Last edited by Nevadaref; Fri Jun 06, 2014 at 05:09am. |
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Peripheral vision, i.e., field of view (in basketball terms), is not measured based how far the head can be turned, but, rather, by how much can be seen, right, left, up, down, without turning one's head. If one defines peripheral vision based on the ability to turn one's head, then the peripheral vision would be in excess of 360 degrees, and there would never be a blind screen. Never. Ever.
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If a player has an opportunity to see (within their visual field, let's, for sake of argument, say it's 90 degrees to the left, and to the right, of the direction that they are looking) a screen based on which way their head (not their body) is turned, then, in my opinion, it's not a blind screen.
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