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Old Tue Jun 03, 2014, 01:14pm
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I call as many fouls on illegal screens as anyone, this looks legal to me. The screener is preparing for the contact and it appears no one called out the screen for the defender.

I got nothing. And I think the fact that this is a women's game is why this was called. The defender was not moving that fast and you can give them one or two steps and this was enough time and distance IMO.

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With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

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Old Tue Jun 03, 2014, 01:16pm
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I call as many fouls on illegal screens as anyone, this looks legal to me. The screener is preparing for the contact and it appears no one called out the screen for the defender.

I got nothing. And I think the fact that this is a women's game is why this was called. The defender was not moving that fast and you can give them one or two steps and this was enough time and distance IMO.

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This for me. I think our angle on the reply was better than what the calling official had, so I don't think the left arm came into play on her call at all.
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i call as many fouls on illegal screens as anyone, this looks legal to me. The screener is preparing for the contact and it appears no one called out the screen for the defender.

I got nothing. And i think the fact that this is a women's game is why this was called. The defender was not moving that fast and you can give them one or two steps and this was enough time and distance imo.

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With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

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The level of contact has nothing to do with the legality of a screen. If a screener is setting a legal screen, it certainly cannot be a foul on the player setting the screen for sure. And the only one technically displaced is the defender and that would only be a foul if you determine they were not given the correct time and distance.

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With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

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How does this play fit the definition of "blowing up the screen"??

The only thing blown up here is the defender...
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2014, 02:59pm
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With all that contact
I stopped reading here. If you're starting with a premise that "all that contact" should be part of your criteria, then you're doing it wrong.
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Old Tue Jun 03, 2014, 03:05pm
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Illegal. Not enough time/distance given for the defender, screener was still moving forward within that window.
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With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

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Did she in anyway blow up the screener before getting knocked on her ass?
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Not sure what that has to do with it being legal or not.
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Not sure what that has to do with it being legal or not.
It doesn't from our point of view. But if you are going to call a screen illegal because of the amount of contact, then it does matter why that contact took place. It is not a foul just because the contact is violent or severe on the player setting the screen. And he was responding to the comment that suggested a foul was illegal only because of the nature of contact, not the legality of the screen.

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With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?
What did the defender do wrong?
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Slo-mo of the slo-mo (video)
There weren't any other angles of the play but here's a slo-mo of the slo-mo so we can comparison shop...


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Illegal. Not enough time/distance given for the defender, screener was still moving forward within that window.
Agree. Watching this video over, and over, including some stop action, I believe that from the time that the screener stopped moving forward, the defender was allowed about 7/8 of a step to change direction, and attempt to avoid contact with the screener. At the speed that the defender was moving, I believe that the screener should have allowed the defender the two step maximum (dictated by rule), allowing the defender the time, and distance, to change direction, and attempt to avoid contact with the screener.

I don't see a problem with the forearm. Bad angle for me, and maybe the screener was just protecting herself, or maybe the forearm moved up as a result of the impact resulting from the contact.

I'm gender neutral on this. I'm calling it the same way in a boys, or girls, game.
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I just continue to find it fascinating that even with the comfort of slow motion, repetitive instant replays, we can continue to have differing opinions on the same call ...
... and it amazes me that we can get anything right, on the court, in a real game, in real time.

How do we all do it? And get paid for doing it? And get invited back to do more games?
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With all that contact, wouldn't you have something? I agree, it is a legal screen. In our area, we were instructed to watch for teams blowing up screens. I believe this clip meets that criteria. Shouldn't the defender be punished with a foul?

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What did the defender do wrong?
Or this version of the question: What did Diggins do to put Langhorne at a disadvantage?
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