Sign of things to come

[OKREF]

First summer tournament. Rule change allowing players along free throw lane to enter on release.

A1 shooting 1-1, first shot, players move in, A2 fouls B1, shot goes in. Team B is in the bonus. Clear the lanes, shoot the second, go to other end shoot 1-1.

[JRutledge]

I have worked several games with the new rules, not any more of a problem than there was before or when I worked college games. I think we are worried about nothing if you ask me.

Peace

[Indianaref]

I've had the same thing with the old rule.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I've had the same thing with the old rule.

Same here. No biggie. Call the foul and move on.

I think this is a good change and I'm glad to see the NFHS made it.

[JRutledge]

I had a couple of fouls called this weekend when the ball was going to be live, and it was not an issue. Just like stated by Adam, players are doing nothing differnet than what they do during a jump shot during normal action.

Peace

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I have worked several games with the new rules, not any more of a problem than there was before......

Agreed. Been my experience so far. No issues to date.

[OKREF]

I see more fouls, with players being able to enter earlier, and leading to more of this.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I see more fouls, with players being able to enter earlier, and leading to more of this.

For a while, perhaps. It's just the nature of having more rebounding action to officiate. Shouldn't be any more fouls on these than you'd have on any 15 foot jumper during regular action.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I see more fouls, with players being able to enter earlier, and leading to more of this.

There has been in my experience, just as much contact during "old" rule as there was I have seen during the "new" rule. I did not call many fouls then, I do not see calling many fouls now. And with the old rule where there were situations where a foul might be called, a "talk to" usually put them on notice and stopped a lot of crap.

Peace

[Rich]

Originally Posted by OKREF

I see more fouls, with players being able to enter earlier, and leading to more of this.

Why is this a problem? Your whistle isn't limited in its number of uses, is it?

[Pantherdreams]

This has been the rule in FIBA for a while. We don't have 1 and 1's though so there is no awkward foul between shots then a walk down.

I don't really see a lot of fouls in these competitive situations. If you are seeing elbows and punches thrown then obivously you get those in anysituation. If there is bumping/displacment that would lead to an advantage or disadvantage I would just have a patient whistle and see if the made shot changes your ideas about what the contact is doing. If you still feel its leading to a rougher game, and a "Clean it up" doesn't get it done early you can go and get it to.

Just call the fouls that you see. How much walking you do to the free throw line comes down to how the kids play.

[HokiePaul]

I've run in to some instances where the teams don't understand the new rule only applies to marked lane spaces. At least a few times, I've seen players beyond the 3-point line run in on the release to try and "box out the shooter". Too much NBA watching I suppose.

Not that I'd consider this a problem with the new rule. I'm sure by the time the HS season comes around, this won't be happening.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

First summer tournament. Rule change allowing players along free throw lane to enter on release.

A1 shooting 1-1, first shot, players move in, A2 fouls B1, shot goes in. Team B is in the bonus. Clear the lanes, shoot the second, go to other end shoot 1-1.

I was part of a HS instructional camp last weekend as a court observer. On another court this situation occurred with 10 seconds remaining in a 1pt game.
The advice of the court observer: have a patient whistle. If the FT goes in, then calling the foul probably isn't necessary, unless the contact is severe. If the FT is missed, then a late whistle will likely get general acceptance.

I agree with his advice and think of this in terms of possession consequence and cleaning up rough play. There isn't any possession consequence on a made FT and only a few seconds remaining in the game probably isn't the time to be cleaning up rough play. I'm going to teach that such fouls need to be in the category of "can't ignore it."

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I was part of a HS instructional camp last weekend as a court observer. On another court this situation occurred with 10 seconds remaining in a 1pt game.
The advice of the court observer: have a patient whistle. If the FT goes in, then calling the foul probably isn't necessary, unless the contact is severe. If the FT is missed, then a late whistle will likely get general acceptance.

I agree with his advice and think of this in terms of possession consequence and cleaning up rough play. There isn't any possession consequence on a made FT and only a few seconds remaining in the game probably isn't the time to be cleaning up rough play. I'm going to teach that such fouls need to be in the category of "can't ignore it."

This advice pretty much applies to any rebounding fouls. Have a patient whistle unless there is rough play that needs to be cleaned up.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This advice pretty much applies to any rebounding fouls. Have a patient whistle unless there is rough play that needs to be cleaned up.

About once a year I have a situation where I believe that a rebounding foul has occurred and I sound my whistle, to then observe, a split second later, that the foulee now has the rebound easily in his possession. I swear that I'll never be fooled like that again, but I always am.