Sign of things to come

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Adam

And also the follow up play. IOW, if the player gets the ball but, due to the illegal contact, is now in a significantly less advantageous position with the ball, a foul should be called.

Or if it discourages him/her from trying to get the next rebound because it was too risky (rough play), that is also a foul.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Or if it discourages him/her from trying to get the next rebound because it was too risky (rough play), that is also a foul.

I'm not sure that I'm understanding you on this.

Are you saying that a foul should be called if I judge that a player may not want to go get the next rebound because the player thinks the play that just happened is too rough?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'm not sure that I'm understanding you on this.

Are you saying that a foul should be called if I judge that a player may not want to go get the next rebound because the player thinks the play that just happened is too rough?

I think that is what he is saying...Camron will correct me if I am wrong, but we always call it the "3 minutes later" principle. As in, if I don't call that now, what will this game be like in 3 minutes?

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Are you saying that a foul should be called if I judge that a player may not want to go get the next rebound because the player thinks the play that just happened is too rough?

No, he's saying rough play should always be cleaned up and one of the benefits of cleaning it up is players won't be afraid to try to get rebounds because of rough play.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I think that is what he is saying...Camron will correct me if I am wrong, but we always call it the "3 minutes later" principle. As in, if I don't call that now, what will this game be like in 3 minutes?

Yep.

Originally Posted by AremRed

No, he's saying rough play should always be cleaned up and one of the benefits of cleaning it up is players won't be afraid to try to get rebounds because of rough play.

And....Yep.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I'm not sure that I'm understanding you on this.

Are you saying that a foul should be called if I judge that a player may not want to go get the next rebound because the player thinks the play that just happened is too rough?

If he is hesitant to go for a board because he is getting the crap beat of of him, yes. The fact that the right team gets the rebound is not always a reason to avoid calling the foul. It can be much of the time, but not as much as some take it. Sometimes, the contact just shouldn't be part of the game of basketball.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If he is hesitant to go for a board because he is getting the crap beat of of him, yes.

Then he shouldn't be playing basketball in the first place!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Then he shouldn't be playing basketball in the first place!

No, he shouldn't be playing football.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

No, he shouldn't be playing football.

Ok Camron, whatever you think. I have never seen a kid at the HS or college level afraid to go after a rebound because of previous physical play. Kids that would be afraid of potential rough play during rebounding situations are weeded out of the game long before they get to that level.

I don't disagree with you that there are times a whistle is needed to clean up certain things or prevent things from escalating, but the idea that there are going to be players too scared to go after a rebound because of previous or potential rough play is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by johnny d

Ok Camron, whatever you think. I have never seen a kid at the HS or college level afraid to go after a rebound because of previous physical play. Kids that would be afraid of potential rough play during rebounding situations are weeded out of the game long before they get to that level.

I don't disagree with you that there are times a whistle is needed to clean up certain things or prevent things from escalating, but the idea that there are going to be players too scared to go after a rebound because of previous or potential rough play is just ridiculous.

I hear you johnny d but I don't think Camron's view is any less valid than yours. He just has a different way of looking at clean-up fouls that's all.

I could certainly see a player thinking "I went to get a rebound last time and got popped in the chin and they didn't call it" and not going after the next one.

Regardless, rough play should be cleaned up no matter what justification you use.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I have never seen a kid at the HS or college level afraid to go after a rebound because of previous physical play.... too scared to go after a rebound because of previous or potential rough play is just ridiculous.

I have. Not "afraid" or "scared". But hesitant. Such hesitancy, when due to no-calls on rough play when calls were, by rule and by a proper feel for the game, justified = advantage to illegally rough team, disadvantage to team abiding by the rules.
Just a thought.
And, I reserve the right to be wrong.