No call or foul? (Clips)

[Sharpshooternes]

And maybe while we are at it, I know a lot of newer officials, myself included struggle with a blocked shot+body contact=foul. If there is a clean block up top and then body contact that should be incidental correct? If the body contact occurs before the blocked shot this is a foul. How about from behind say on a breakaway: a blocked shot from behind with body contact that knocks the shooter off balance. What do you rule on this?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

And maybe while we are at it, I know a lot of newer officials, myself included struggle with a blocked shot+body contact=foul. If there is a clean block up top and then body contact that should be incidental correct?

That is what I believe, but there are people that disagree. To me a blocked shot of any kind had to be with some level of body contact if it is a one on one type block attempt. And when a bigger player is making a block, any contact with them is going to be more violent. I can tell you that if you play with bigger and faster players, that is usually the accepted point of view.

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

If the body contact occurs before the blocked shot this is a foul. How about from behind say on a breakaway: a blocked shot from behind with body contact that knocks the shooter off balance. What do you rule on this?

If you illegally contact someone to make a play, then I have no problem calling a foul. But again there is going to be body contact on shots sometime. All contact even that has a player not in a legal position means you have to have a foul.

Peace

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Irrelevant if the players hands are vertical as was asked in the OP.

Which is why I wrote "when a player is trying to block the shot". Sharpshooternes is on the right track with the hand level thing, but it is used in a different situation than this verticality play he is talking about.

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

And maybe while we are at it, I know a lot of newer officials, myself included struggle with a blocked shot+body contact=foul. If there is a clean block up top and then body contact that should be incidental correct? If the body contact occurs before the blocked shot this is a foul. How about from behind say on a breakaway: a blocked shot from behind with body contact that knocks the shooter off balance. What do you rule on this?

Ball then body is usually incidental (no-call). Body then ball could be a foul or no-call, depending on the amount/legality of contact and what you have called before.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Ball then body is usually incidental (no-call). Body then ball could be a foul or no-call, depending on the amount/legality of contact and what you have called before.

Agree....with body first, you have to decide if that body contact enabled the block or not. If they would have not been able to get to the ball without going through the body, it should probably be a foul. If the would have blocked the ball either way, maybe not, depending on how much contact.

[JetMetFan]

Essentially it's a matter of displacement/did the defender gain an advantage that wasn't intended by rule? Put it this way, would we let a defender go through a ball-handler/dribbler to steal the ball? Most likely, no. Same thing with blocking a shot.

As for video, I'll check to see if anything in my list applies to Sharp's request.

[APG]

Note that many agreed that play three should have been a no call

[Raymond]

I have fouls in the 3rd (Lebron) and 4th (Paplovic) videos.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have fouls in the 3rd (Lebron) and 4th (Paplovic) videos.

Can you please elaborate as to why?