Flop ??? (Video)

[ballgame99]

If the offense "pushed off" wouldn't his momentum go the opposite direction of the defender? If I push you with any force at all, you are going to go backwards and I am going to go in the direction I am pushing toward. The offensive player was leaning on the defense, which then flopped, and you see the offensive player's momentum continue toward the defense. I don't like this call at all, and the defenses clapping afterward could easily be seen as taunting.

There were probably some instances of pushes earlier in the game that could have resulted in warnings or even fouls, so the defense wanted to make sure and get this call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

If the offense "pushed off" wouldn't his momentum go the opposite direction of the defender? If I push you with any force at all, you are going to go backwards and I am going to go in the direction I am pushing toward. The offensive player was leaning on the defense, which then flopped, and you see the offensive player's momentum continue toward the defense. I don't like this call at all, and the defenses clapping afterward could easily be seen as taunting.

There were probably some instances of pushes earlier in the game that could have resulted in warnings or even fouls, so the defense wanted to make sure and get this call.

He spent the 5 seconds prior to the throw in pushing the defender away by walking him down away from the thrower. His momentum was going to take him into the defender.

The defender finally had enough and ceased the resistance. Push on a wall, and let the wall fall down, you'll go down with it.

Same concept, IMO.

[just another ref]

He did a lot more than cease the resistance. Appears to me he dove backward and let out a yell to draw attention to himself.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He did a lot more than cease the resistance. Appears to me he dove backward and let out a yell to draw attention to himself.

If I would have had my eyes on them the entire time, I would have had a flop and no call, but if I would have just seen it out of the corner of my eye, I would probably have bought it and called a foul.

[jeremy341a]

How much resistance is the defender supposed to put up as the offense uses two hands to shove him? Offense was pushing up the defense just embellished the contact. Unless the defense grabs his arms which you can not see in the video, it seem that the offense's arms extended tells the story. The reason the offense fell towards the defense is because the defense didn't hold the resistance the offense expected.

[Camron Rust]

Was the offense putting some amount of pressure on him, sure. But that isn't a foul. The question that needs to be asked is whether the contact displaced the defender? To that question, the answer is no. There was no where near enough force in the contact that was there to displace the defender like that.

The sequence of actions/reactions was all wrong for the offensive player to have caused that result. He was applying just as much force (only slight) as the defender was applying in the opposite direction up to the time the defender chose to throw himself to the floor. The arms only extended because the defender removed the resistance, not because of a shove.

And for those that look at the action before the "shove", that is no different than a defender in the post giving ground to another player as the other player works for the shot...he willingly stepped backwards. It is a red herring, at best.

[IUgrad92]

Nice flop that got rewarded. Good opportunity for the administering official to do a little preventative officiating to get those two separated and within their own vertical space prior putting the ball in play.

If you pause the video, right around the 8 second mark you can see the defender starting to jerk backwards and the offensive player's arms are still at a 90 degree angle. It also looks possible that the offensive player's arms jerk forward because the defender temporarily grabbed his hands as he threw himself to the ground. It all happens pretty quickly, but looks possible.

And the way the defender pops up clapping was almost his way of saying "I just got one over on you".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He did a lot more than cease the resistance. Appears to me he dove backward and let out a yell to draw attention to himself.

He fell backwards, and he did so with minimal contact, but I don't see where he's required to resist. As for the yell, it's irrelevant, IMO. I watched it without sound, and I still like the call (although I would have been fine with a no-call as well.)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

As for the yell, it's irrelevant, IMO.

It's relevant only in that it supports the idea that the whole thing was staged.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It's relevant only in that it supports the idea that the whole thing was staged.

Maybe, and I don't disagree that it was staged. The thing is, the offense opens himself up to this by shoving the defender down court. We tell players all the time to stop giving ground. He stops, and just allows himself to be pushed down. I'm ok with that.