Foul by the Thrower (Video)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Let me nip this one quick. If you are implying racial prejudice in influencing calls then I would suggest you go cry up Sharpton's tree. That may happen in isolated incidents absolutely. But by far and large the responses here are pretty even keel and consistent.

You want to call a flagrant foul on this. Good luck, I'm sure that call would shoot you straight to the NBA.

Your inference does not mean he implied it. Let's not go down that road here, there's nothing anywhere that suggests race is a factor until your post. If you want to edit it, I'll remove the posts that respond to it.

[Nevadaref]

Nah, leave his thinking posted for all to see.
He's young and prone to jump to the most radical conclusion.
He won't learn if you keep expunging his ill-advised posts.

[deecee]

I may have took it that way but that's the only difference I would see. Whether one team or the other was to cause that contact in that situation it wouldn't change anything. The only difference is race and jersey color. Whether white or blue caused this doesn't change anything.

Camron I can see your interpretation now that you mention it. I may have interpreted the comment differently but lets not act like this is the first time this topic has been broached on this forum.

If he wasn't implying what I thought he may have been then the first part of my response doesn't apply.

Adam I don't mind editing it but it could be a misunderstanding, and I wouldn't mind an actual clarification from Rev as to what he really meant first.

[rockyroad]

Seems pretty obvious that he was talking about the thrower being the one that got knocked down by the defender, and asking how many of those saying there was no foul in the OP would call a foul for that.

[HokiePaul]

A little late to this, but the consensus seems to be that this is a dead ball situation and therefore either ignored or a T.

When I look at it, I would consider the ball at the thrower's disposal as soon as he secures it and is clearly on his way out of bounds. So I would have a common foul or intentional foul on white. My question is, if I felt it was a common foul, would this be considered a PC foul? Can you have a PC foul on throw in?

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

A little late to this, but the consensus seems to be that this is a dead ball situation and therefore either ignored or a T.

When I look at it, I would consider the ball at the thrower's disposal as soon as he secures it and is clearly on his way out of bounds. So I would have a common foul or intentional foul on white. My question is, if I felt it was a common foul, would this be considered a PC foul? Can you have a PC foul on throw in?

Would you start your count as soon as he has the ball, still inbounds or wait until he is out of bounds?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

A little late to this, but the consensus seems to be that this is a dead ball situation and therefore either ignored or a T.

When I look at it, I would consider the ball at the thrower's disposal as soon as he secures it and is clearly on his way out of bounds. So I would have a common foul or intentional foul on white. My question is, if I felt it was a common foul, would this be considered a PC foul? Can you have a PC foul on throw in?

Yes, you can have a PC foul on a throw in.

But:

Originally Posted by OKREF

Would you start your count as soon as he has the ball, still inbounds or wait until he is out of bounds?

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Would you start your count as soon as he has the ball, still inbounds or wait until he is out of bounds?

It would depend on when I consider the ball to be at the thrower's disposal. This is a judgement call by the official and would depend on the circumstances since it is not clearly defined. You start your count when the ball is at the thrower's disposal ... yet the ball is at the thrower's disposal when you start you count.

In this case, I would be starting my count when the player picks up the ball and sprints towards the out of bounds area to initiate a throw in (or contact with another player as it turned out here). In my opinion, this is right before the contact occurs.