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[Rooster]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

So ... the first foul should have been called ESPECIALLY because they knew they were about to call one the other way in the future? Really?

OK, I'll play.

So ... you've never had an evaluator at a camp or a supervisor jump your shiza for not making a call, then making a bad call on the other end? Or riding you about calling a travel on A1 and then calling a foul on B1? Or whatever call, that in conjunction with another bad call, made the two plays stand out. What prognostic powers did he have? My turn... Really?

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Rooster

OK, I'll play.

So ... you've never had an evaluator at a camp or a supervisor jump your shiza for not making a call, then making a bad call on the other end? Or riding you about calling a travel on A1 and then calling a foul on B1? Or whatever call, that in conjunction with another bad call, made the two plays stand out. What prognostic powers did he have? My turn... Really?

MD can certainly speak for himself.

I tend to agree with your implication. I find it comical when, with the advantage of hindsight, as in the situation you proposed, an evaluator criticizes actions which were unrelated, except forensically/rhetorically, and post-occurence. It always smacks of the fallacy of the basic scientific method of evaluation - "A exists, and then B exists, therefore A must have caused B." Or, in this case, "therefore, both A and B must be the results of a similar cause."

[OKREF]

It does speak to decision making though. "Why would you let A go, then put a whistle on B".

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by OKREF

It does speak to decision making though. "Why would you let A go, then put a whistle on B".

Chicken dinner!

[MD Longhorn]

I get the "Why did you call B a foul right after you let A go" comment ... especially if A is worse than B.

Just seemed odd to say that they needed to get A right "especially" if they were going to go get B wrong a few seconds later. They needed to get B right too!

[Rich]

Gotta say, I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about a call I made at the other end of the floor. I try to make every call a solid call on its own. I think this official failed twice, but it happens.

Where crews struggle is when officials are different in what's advantage and what's disadvantage. At this level and even at the higher HS levels, this should be less of an issue.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Rich

Gotta say, I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about a call I made at the other end of the floor. I try to make every call a solid call on its own. I think this official failed twice, but it happens.

Rich,

I usually agree with a majority of your points, however this opinion of yours shocked me. I try to spend the whole game thinking about what my partners and myself called and what we passed on. I think this helps with crew consistency. Ultimately tht is what we are trying to achieve. Now don't get me wrong, if for some reason we as a creew miss a felony, you can bet your bottoem dollar that I will get a felony next play down the court. Can't miss an obvious foul beacuase we missed an earlier one....

I remember years ago, I had a game with two VERY seasoned veterans. We had two teams whose coached combined had 1,300 wins and these guys didn't know me from Adam ( not Adam from this site ) I remember the first three minutes running up an down calling a couple out of bounds and watching what they called. I thought they were missing fouls, but I followed their lead and the night went pretty well.

No way as trail in the 2nd play am I calling a foul after passing on first play.....

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Just seemed odd to say that they needed to get A right "especially" if they were going to go get B wrong a few seconds later. They needed to get B right too!

They needed to get both right, but it stings a little more cuz things happened the way they did.