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[OKREF]

It does speak to decision making though. "Why would you let A go, then put a whistle on B".

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by OKREF

It does speak to decision making though. "Why would you let A go, then put a whistle on B".

Chicken dinner!

[MD Longhorn]

I get the "Why did you call B a foul right after you let A go" comment ... especially if A is worse than B.

Just seemed odd to say that they needed to get A right "especially" if they were going to go get B wrong a few seconds later. They needed to get B right too!

[Rich]

Gotta say, I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about a call I made at the other end of the floor. I try to make every call a solid call on its own. I think this official failed twice, but it happens.

Where crews struggle is when officials are different in what's advantage and what's disadvantage. At this level and even at the higher HS levels, this should be less of an issue.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by Rich

Gotta say, I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about a call I made at the other end of the floor. I try to make every call a solid call on its own. I think this official failed twice, but it happens.

Rich,

I usually agree with a majority of your points, however this opinion of yours shocked me. I try to spend the whole game thinking about what my partners and myself called and what we passed on. I think this helps with crew consistency. Ultimately tht is what we are trying to achieve. Now don't get me wrong, if for some reason we as a creew miss a felony, you can bet your bottoem dollar that I will get a felony next play down the court. Can't miss an obvious foul beacuase we missed an earlier one....

I remember years ago, I had a game with two VERY seasoned veterans. We had two teams whose coached combined had 1,300 wins and these guys didn't know me from Adam ( not Adam from this site ) I remember the first three minutes running up an down calling a couple out of bounds and watching what they called. I thought they were missing fouls, but I followed their lead and the night went pretty well.

No way as trail in the 2nd play am I calling a foul after passing on first play.....

[Rich]

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Originally Posted by Rich

Gotta say, I don't spend a whole lot of time thinking about a call I made at the other end of the floor. I try to make every call a solid call on its own. I think this official failed twice, but it happens.

Rich,

I usually agree with a majority of your points, however this opinion of yours shocked me. I try to spend the whole game thinking about what my partners and myself called and what we passed on. I think this helps with crew consistency. Ultimately tht is what we are trying to achieve. Now don't get me wrong, if for some reason we as a creew miss a felony, you can bet your bottoem dollar that I will get a felony next play down the court. Can't miss an obvious foul beacuase we missed an earlier one....

I remember years ago, I had a game with two VERY seasoned veterans. We had two teams whose coached combined had 1,300 wins and these guys didn't know me from Adam ( not Adam from this site ) I remember the first three minutes running up an down calling a couple out of bounds and watching what they called. I thought they were missing fouls, but I followed their lead and the night went pretty well.

No way as trail in the 2nd play am I calling a foul after passing on first play.....

Two wrongs don't make a right, either.

If I miss one (and I know I miss one) at one end, I'm not going to miss one at the other end to make up for it. Being consistently wrong isn't always better than being inconsistent.

(Baseball analogy: Let's say I call the first pitch of the game a strike. The pitch is at the neck and I screw up the call to high heaven. Do I now call every pitch there a strike the rest of the game?)

We can debate the merits of the first call (I think he missed a foul), but the second call was simply not a foul based on what I'm seeing and the fact that the L, right in front of it, passed on it. It has NOTHING to do with the pass at the other end. That's all I'm saying.

Crew consistency is important, yes, but I don't think you can used missed calls when it comes to adjusting to be consistent as a crew.

Sure, we all have our own philosophies and we try to be on board with each other as best we can. Our mechanics set, though, recognizes that we aren't going to be truly consistent from official to official -- otherwise why would we ever switch after fouls?

All we can do is hope, via film study and training, that we can move most of our officials to a place where we all agree what's a foul and what isn't. The NCAA does that via its video bulletins. We do it by our HS associations and video study. I would argue many of us do it looking at video and arguing about it here.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

No way as trail in the 2nd play am I calling a foul after passing on first play.....

While I agree, WRT the OP, I'm guessing the calling official holds to the same ideals and would likely have made the same comment having watched a video involving another official.

Stuff happens, the rest of us get to remind ourselves and learn.

[JRutledge]

I also try to call what has been called in the game, but I just do not make it up. And what I try to match is mostly the kinds of calls. If hand-checking has been called in the game, I am not going to pass on many hand-checks I clearly see. Or if there is contact on another play, I might pass on that contact if we have not been calling that type of contact previously.

That also applies to no-foul situations. Like a play to the basket that was not called earlier, I am not going to start calling those later in the game either. But mostly these are things I try to do myself or be conscious of what I have called. Not every play or call a partner makes am I totally aware of or saw why they called the game. I think mostly this is a feel for the game than anything.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I also try to call what has been called in the game, but I just do not make it up. And what I try to match is mostly the kinds of calls. If hand-checking has been called in the game, I am not going to pass on many hand-checks I clearly see. Or if there is contact on another play, I might pass on that contact if we have not been calling that type of contact previously.

That also applies to no-foul situations. Like a play to the basket that was not called earlier, I am not going to start calling those later in the game either. But mostly these are things I try to do myself or be conscious of what I have called. Not every play or call a partner makes am I totally aware of or saw why they called the game. I think mostly this is a feel for the game than anything.

Peace

To this point. Last year at a camp I had a staffer talk about the crew being consistent. If someone passes on contact, then at least for the next trip or two, contact that was equal to or less than the contact just passed on, should be let go.

In the OP, the first play is a foul, most of us agree on that. However, it wasn't called. There is no reason at all for the next play to have a whistle. I am more concerned with the reasoning for the pass, and the next whistle more than anything.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Just seemed odd to say that they needed to get A right "especially" if they were going to go get B wrong a few seconds later. They needed to get B right too!

They needed to get both right, but it stings a little more cuz things happened the way they did.