Manhattan-Louisville (Video)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Don't see much that looks like a foul in either one. Perhaps in the 2nd one, the L felt the defender was moving sideways into the airborne shooter's path but I don't think he was...moving yes, but backwards (away) from the shooter which is not illegal.

Camron:

I agree with you. And since I agree with you your credibility is circling the drain.

MTD, Sr.

[All_Heart]

In the 1st video he is in the RA but isn't he considered a primary defender? In the NBA & women's college he obtains possession in the Lower Defensive Block so it would be a regular BB play ... which IMO is a definite no call.

In the 2nd video, I hate to bring a "he traveled" into the discussion but ... ahem ... he traveled. He does a hop step (jumps off and lands on same foot).

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

In the 1st video he is in the RA but isn't he considered a primary defender? In the NBA & women's college he obtains possession in the Lower Defensive Block so it would be a regular BB play ... which IMO is a definite no call.

In the 2nd video, I hate to bring a "he traveled" into the discussion but ... ahem ... he traveled. He does a hop step (jumps off and lands on same foot).

There is no lower defensive block in NCAA-M. In this play, he would be considered a secondary defender. All defensive players are considered secondary defenders in an out-numbered fast break situation, which is what this would be considered. Since the official did not point to the RA, he was calling this a block because he did not believe the defender had established/maintained LGP.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by johnny d

There is no lower defensive block in NCAA-M. In this play, he would be considered a secondary defender. All defensive players are considered secondary defenders in an out-numbered fast break situation, which is what this would be considered. Since the official did not point to the RA, he was calling this a block because he did not believe the defender had established/maintained LGP.

I wouldn't call this an out-numbered fast break. When the offense gets possession of the ball it is a one on one play. Not 2 on 1. Obviously, the official didn't point on the play but I wanted to discuss the play in regards to the RA.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

I wouldn't call this an out-numbered fast break. When the offense gets possession of the ball it is a one on one play. Not 2 on 1. Obviously, the official didn't point on the play but I wanted to discuss the play in regards to the RA.

Once the steal occurred, it would be considered a 3 on 1 fast break. There was one defensive player guarding the three offensive players. The player that stole the ball and going to the basket, and his 2 teammates in the lane heading towards the basket. This isn't your classic fast break situation, but it is considered as such by NCAA-M standards when making rulings involving the RA.

[maroonx]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

In the 1st video he is in the RA but isn't he considered a primary defender? In the NBA & women's college he obtains possession in the Lower Defensive Block so it would be a regular BB play ... which IMO is a definite no call.

In the 2nd video, I hate to bring a "he traveled" into the discussion but ... ahem ... he traveled. He does a hop step (jumps off and lands on same foot).

Right on!!! The proverbial illegal jump stop which I feel most officials are scared to call. We wont get these blarges, verticality debates if the initial violation is called.

[7IronRef]

Weak, and weaker. Rush to judgement.
2nd play - LGP - able to back up and move obliquely. Offense initiates contact

[Sharpshooternes]

I really liked the twofer double screen in the second video, which I thought should be a no call as well