Louisville @ ND, Rich's video request #s 3 & 4

[JetMetFan]

Travels: 4:33 second half, as well.

2:45 second half, too.

(I put them both on the same clip, one after the other)





BTW, Rich, I couldn't get the last two. My recording cut off before the OTs began and sometimes it's too much of a headache to try it again.

[Rich]

Thanks for this. I appreciate the effort everyone makes doing this.

I'd love to see a thread that describes the technical process you guys use to do this. I have a handful of HD/DVRs and I'd love to contribute from time to time -- how do you do the clips?

I'll let others comment. These were just things I wanted to take another look at myself so I figured maybe others would too.

[Raymond]

1st one was a travel but I see why it wasn't call.

2nd one is not as obvious but it should be detected at that level and called.

[bob jenkins]

Both are travels but the first is often missed / ignored -- I don't think we watch the feet upon landing that far from the basket on a "routine" inbound with no immediate pressure on the player.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1st one was a travel but I see why it wasn't call.

2nd one is not as obvious but it should be detected at that level and called.

I thionk the second was more obvious -- he travelled twice.

[Rich]

Now that people have responded:

I laughed on the first one because I thought to myself, "That's a travel and, no, I'd never call that."

[zm1283]

The first one is never called at that level or most other levels for that matter.

The second one is a travel and should have been called.

I am also interested about how to get footage from a DVD to a file on the computer. I have Windows Movie Maker, will that work? I have a recent game of mine on DVD that was on local cable. It has a couple of block/charge plays that I might put on here if I can figure it out.

[VaTerp]

All of these traveling videos make me think about a question that is on my association's website.

What is the most difficult call to get right:

Block/Charge
Traveling
Handcheck
Goaltend
Technical
Out of Bounds

I think the answer is traveling by a landside. Particularly at higher levels where guys are so fast, athletic, and very skilled in terms of when they gather the ball and subsequent moves.

Add in that you often have to adjust your sight level to pick up the pivot foot and IMO it is the most difficult call in basketball to get consistently right. There is often room for debate even after watching on replay and in slow motion several times.

Play #1 is ignored almost all the time at almost all levels, and rightfully so IMO. Play #2 is a travel that they should get.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

The first one is never called at that level or most other levels for that matter.

Agreed, and rightfully so. It just reminded me a little of the Duke foot-shuffle from a few years ago (albeit at a much smaller scale and in the backcourt, not under pressure).

[Tio]

Originally Posted by VaTerp

All of these traveling videos make me think about a question that is on my association's website.

What is the most difficult call to get right:

Block/Charge
Traveling
Handcheck
Goaltend
Technical
Out of Bounds

I think the answer is traveling by a landside. Particularly at higher levels where guys are so fast, athletic, and very skilled in terms of when they gather the ball and subsequent moves.

Add in that you often have to adjust your sight level to pick up the pivot foot and IMO it is the most difficult call in basketball to get consistently right. There is often room for debate even after watching on replay and in slow motion several times.

Play #1 is ignored almost all the time at almost all levels, and rightfully so IMO. Play #2 is a travel that they should get.

I think they all can be hard based on the speed of the game.

Having been fortunate to work both NCAA & HS games, my observation in HS games is that many officials call travels on plays that are marginal at best or are legal but just look awkward. This puts a crew in a bad situation if it is a bad call because now a similarly marginal call will be expected on the same play on the other end. An old-time D1 guy used to say he would much rather miss a travel than call one that wasn't.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think they all can be hard based on the speed of the game.

Having been fortunate to work both NCAA & HS games, my observation in HS games is that many officials call travels on plays that are marginal at best or are legal but just look awkward. This puts a crew in a bad situation if it is a bad call because now a similarly marginal call will be expected on the same play on the other end. An old-time D1 guy used to say he would much rather miss a travel than call one that wasn't.

I agree. I would bet that I call fewer travels than 90 percent of the guys I work with.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I agree. I would bet that I call fewer travels than 90 percent of the guys I work with.

I call a couple a game on average. But I can tell you exactly why I called every one that I *do* call.

[Adam]

I'm with the group on these. Easy travel on both, but I wouldn't be a pioneer with the first one. Only middle school coaches want the first one called, IMO, and then they aren't happy when you set your filter that high.