Shooting Foul/PC/Nothing?

[Spence]

Pangallo foul on Ruthsatz- You Make the Call - YouTube

[JRutledge]

I would be tempted to call nothing. The shooter threw himself into the defender who was not completely legal, but the only reason all that contact took place was because of the shooter.

Peace

[LRZ]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would be tempted to call nothing. The shooter threw himself into the defender who was not completely legal....
Peace

Why do you say that the defender was not completely legal? Didn't he establish LGP, then go straight up vertically? In your view of the play, did he do something to lose that position?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by LRZ

Why do you say that the defender was not completely legal? Didn't he establish LGP, then go straight up vertically? In your view of the play, did he do something to lose that position?

Because I do not see the defender as being completely vertical. The defender seems to jump towards the shooter, but never would have contacted the shooter without the actions of the shooter throwing his body into the defender. If you are not vertical or you are jumping towards your opponent, then you are no longer in a legal position.

Peace

[LRZ]

Thanks for clarifying, Jeff.

[#olderthanilook]

The defender established LGP, jumped straight up into the air. Then, the offensive player lunged into the defender. I probably pass. If there is a foul, it's PC.

[ballgame99]

From that angle D looks to be in his vertical space, so I don't see a foul on B1. I would be inclined to no-call this, but wouldn't argue a PC call either since A1 created more than incidental contact. I really can't see calling a shooting foul there at all.

[MD Longhorn]

PC or nothing... leaning PC though.

No call or PC....that's a ballsy call.

[OKREF]

PC or nothing. No way I penalize the defense for this.

[JRutledge]

I do not think this is a legal defender. But when a shooter just throws himself into a defender like this, I cannot penalize the defender.

Peace

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I do not think this is a legal defender. But when a shooter just throws himself into a defender like this, I cannot penalize the defender.

Peace

I disagree. It might not be fair, but once the defender fails to gain or loses LGP, then he is responsible for contact, even if said contact was completely initiated by the offensive player.

[Spence]

The defender was called for the foul. Watching it live I thought it was the right call. With benefit of replay and slow motion I can see why fans of the defender's team might disagree.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

The defender was called for the foul. Watching it live I thought it was the right call. With benefit of replay and slow motion I can see why fans of the defender's team might disagree.

I couldn't care less about either team, but I'm with MD Longhorn on this. PC or nothing. The defender looks veritical to me, I don't see what he did wrong.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Spence

The defender was called for the foul. Watching it live I thought it was the right call. With benefit of replay and slow motion I can see why fans of the defender's team might disagree.

I agree with this. From the angle here, in slow motion, it did appear that the defender was jumping pretty much vertically, but a view from the endline might show something different.