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Spence Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:52am
Shooting Foul/PC/Nothing?
 
Pangallo foul on Ruthsatz- You Make the Call - YouTube

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JRutledge Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:18pm
I would be tempted to call nothing. The shooter threw himself into the defender who was not completely legal, but the only reason all that contact took place was because of the shooter.

Peace

#olderthanilook Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:19pm
The defender established LGP, jumped straight up into the air. Then, the offensive player lunged into the defender. I probably pass. If there is a foul, it's PC.

ballgame99 Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:21pm
From that angle D looks to be in his vertical space, so I don't see a foul on B1. I would be inclined to no-call this, but wouldn't argue a PC call either since A1 created more than incidental contact. I really can't see calling a shooting foul there at all.

MD Longhorn Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:22pm
PC or nothing... leaning PC though.

AremRed Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:39pm
No call or PC....that's a ballsy call.

OKREF Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:45pm
PC or nothing. No way I penalize the defense for this.

JRutledge Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:46pm
I do not think this is a legal defender. But when a shooter just throws himself into a defender like this, I cannot penalize the defender.

Peace

eyezen Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:46pm
If the trail was in good position and had a look that showed something different than the video I'm OK with a block - otherwise as seen nothing.

A PC would be a real tough sell.

Spence Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:47pm
The defender was called for the foul. Watching it live I thought it was the right call. With benefit of replay and slow motion I can see why fans of the defender's team might disagree.

Adam Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spence (Post 926491)
The defender was called for the foul. Watching it live I thought it was the right call. With benefit of replay and slow motion I can see why fans of the defender's team might disagree.
I couldn't care less about either team, but I'm with MD Longhorn on this. PC or nothing. The defender looks veritical to me, I don't see what he did wrong.

bob jenkins Mon Mar 10, 2014 01:13pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 926481)
A1 created more than incidental contact.
I disagree. B1 was not disadvantaged on this, imo.

No call.

But, I will admit that a lot of the perception, on both sides, is that B will be called for the foul if he gets faked into the air like that.

pfan1981 Mon Mar 10, 2014 01:23pm
Someone should post video of an official calling PC on a play like this. And then the coach going bonkers. :D

DRJ1960 Mon Mar 10, 2014 01:43pm
Pc

johnny d Mon Mar 10, 2014 01:59pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 926489)
I do not think this is a legal defender. But when a shooter just throws himself into a defender like this, I cannot penalize the defender.

Peace

I disagree. It might not be fair, but once the defender fails to gain or loses LGP, then he is responsible for contact, even if said contact was completely initiated by the offensive player.


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