Common Sense

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Neither official saw it happen.

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[BatteryPowered]

I've go nothing. If the coach from B keeps asking for the T I just tell him "Coach, I can only call what I see. Let's move on and finish the game."

[Dexter555]

Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I've go nothing. If the coach from B keeps asking for the T I just tell him "Coach, I can only call what I see. Let's move on and finish the game."

Agreed. I'm reminded of the commercial where during the TO a coach is telling his kids who's going to throw the inbound pass and one of the players says, "Coach, I touched it last." The player goes to the ref after the TO and tells him and the ref gives the other team the ball. In that situation I'm saying, "I appreciate your honesty. You're a good kid to tell me. I called it as I saw it and the call stands." I wouldn't go asking about something a coach claimed. That could be a slippery slope.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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This.

Further, how do you call a T for an act that neither official witnessed? This sets a REALLY BAD precedent.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

This.

Further, how do you call a T for an act that neither official witnessed? This sets a REALLY BAD precedent.

+1. So what if you do see it? Doesn't pop the rim, just jumps up and grabs it and let's go. 4 tenths left. Anybody calling it?

[bainsey]

The dangerous thing about that phrase "common sense" is, it can mean very different things to different people. Some could say...

"It's common sense that you don't call a technical foul at the end of a game."

OR

"It's common sense that you don't grasp a rim during a game, or you could get T'ed up."

Or, a few other things. The reality is, common sense often means, "How come everyone doesn't think like I do?"

[j51969]

Originally Posted by OKREF

+1. So what if you do see it? Doesn't pop the rim, just jumps up and grabs it and let's go. 4 tenths left. Anybody calling it?

I may be in the minority here, but what is the true spirit and intent of the rule? Frustration..ok, intimidation/drawing attention to themselves...ok
Otherwise, I am treating this like a UFO.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by OKREF

+1. So what if you do see it? Doesn't pop the rim, just jumps up and grabs it and let's go. 4 tenths left. Anybody calling it?

Has he had any sportsmanship issues to this point?
Has his team, in general, been a problem?
Has his coach been a problem all game (or at all)?

Based on the answer to those being "nope"...I'm probably going to do a Sgt. Shultz impression here.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by OKREF

+1. So what if you do see it? Doesn't pop the rim, just jumps up and grabs it and let's go. 4 tenths left. Anybody calling it?

Yes, that's an infraction. The rule states "grasp either basket" so that includes not only the ring, but the net, flange, and any braces too.

Stop fussing over whether or not a movable ring flexed or snapped. That is not part of or required by the rule.

Don't care about the time remaining or the score! Have the courage to make any call at anytime in the contest.

For the OP, if none of the officials observed it, it shouldn't be called.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

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Exactly, I'm not going to ask non-officials if someone committed a foul or violation.

[MD Longhorn]

If I see it, it's a T.
If my partner saw it, passed on it, and tells me he saw it, it's a T.

This is not a judgement call.

If neither of us sees it, there's NO CHANCE I'm asking the scorekeepers if they saw it, and certainly no chance I'm asking any players.

[IUgrad92]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

If I see it, it's a T.
If my partner saw it, passed on it, and tells me he saw it, it's a T.

This is not a judgement call.

If neither of us sees it, there's NO CHANCE I'm asking the scorekeepers if they saw it, and certainly no chance I'm asking any players.

Since this is not a judgement call, I think you have a obligation to confer with the scorekeeper and/or timer as they are part of your crew.

I see this similarly to a situation if neither official saw if a basket was made on a shooting foul. This is not a judgement call either, the ball either went in the basket or it didn't. I would hope you would confer with your table in that situation, because you should.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Since this is not a judgement call, I think you have a obligation to confer with the scorekeeper and/or timer as they are part of your crew.

I see this similarly to a situation if neither official saw if a basket was made on a shooting foul. This is not a judgement call either, the ball either went in the basket or it didn't. I would hope you would confer with your table in that situation, because you should.

The rules tell us we can confer with the table for some scoring issues. I would not consult the table for something like this.

[VaTerp]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The rules tell us we can confer with the table for some scoring issues. I would not consult the table for something like this.

Comparing this to a scoring ruling is ridiculous IMO.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Since this is not a judgement call, I think you have a obligation to confer with the scorekeeper and/or timer as they are part of your crew.

No. Definitely not. Scoring issues... not this.