Where problems start... (video)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Nikki

Possibly holding his jersey or maybe just a touch. I don't see calling a T for that but I can absolutely see calling a TC foul.

This is what drives me nuts when coming from officials. There is no way that you can choose between a technical foul and a team control foul. The choice would properly be between an intentional personal foul and a team control foul.
Seriously, it's our job to know the rules!

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is what drives me nuts when coming from officials. There is no way that you can choose between a technical foul and a team control foul. The choice would properly be between an intentional personal foul and a team control foul.
Seriously, it's our job to know the rules!

I was responding to someone else asking about calling a T here. I previously said I personally would do some talking to them. Obviously we don't have a T during a live ball for contact.

Your statements about it being a boys game are ridiculous - it's either a foul or it's not. The gender of the players in this situation are completely irrelevant.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I agree on the black foul on clip 1, I'm just curious how everyone feels the behavior (pre-slam) in clip 2 should be penalized. To me, it looks like a violent shove meant to start a fight and a T would be justified. Curious what others think.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This is what drives me nuts when coming from officials. There is no way that you can choose between a technical foul and a team control foul. The choice would properly be between an intentional personal foul and a team control foul.
Seriously, it's our job to know the rules!

This is who you should have quoted and responded to.

[ballgame99]

Originally Posted by Nikki

This is who you should have quoted and responded to.

I mispoke when I said T, in an earlier comment I said intentional. My fault, but thank you for your concern.

And I'm not suggesting that a simple arm swipe be called an intentional foul, the player in black swipes/pushes hard enough to displace the white defender.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

I mispoke when I said T, in an earlier comment I said intentional. My fault, but thank you for your concern.

And I'm not suggesting that a simple arm swipe be called an intentional foul, I'm referring to the pre-body slam shove that causes the white defender to be displaced.

I know we both were speaking intentional vs TC vs double foul etc. It was no big deal, I should have responded back talking about Intentional or TC but if someone only wants to read certain responses so be it...

Also I'm not seeing a violent shove...it looks like prior to the slam that they are tangled up, and black gets untangled by taking white down.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by Nikki

Your statements about it being a boys game are ridiculous - it's either a foul or it's not. The gender of the players in this situation are completely irrelevant.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

How exactly in this situation (the first play) does it matter if it's boys or girls?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nikki

I was responding to someone else asking about calling a T here. I previously said I personally would do some talking to them. Obviously we don't have a T during a live ball for contact.

Your statements about it being a boys game are ridiculous - it's either a foul or it's not. The gender of the players in this situation are completely irrelevant.

You couldn't be more wrong in the last paragraph.

Boys and girls games are completely different.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by Nikki

I was responding to someone else asking about calling a T here. I previously said I personally would do some talking to them. Obviously we don't have a T during a live ball for contact.

Your statements about it being a boys game are ridiculous - it's either a foul or it's not. The gender of the players in this situation are completely irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Rich

You couldn't be more wrong in the last paragraph.

Boys and girls games are completely different.

Notice I said in THIS SITUATION (the first play). Boys and girls games ARE completely different and I never said that they weren't. I was referring to one play and whether or not I would call a foul on that particular play would not be based on the gender of the players.

Honestly we are obviously watching tape of a Varsity Boys game, why would gender even be a factor that is brought into this discussion? This tape is more a learning tool about preventive officiating, working 3 man, rotations, game management etc.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Nikki

Notice I said in THIS SITUATION (the first play). Boys and girls games ARE completely different and I never said that they weren't. I was referring to one play and whether or not I would call a foul on that particular play would not be based on the gender of the players.

Honestly we are obviously watching tape of a Varsity Boys game, why would gender even be a factor that is brought into this discussion? This tape is more a learning tool about preventive officiating, working 3 man, rotations, game management etc.

I agree and in fact this type of rough play and the retaliation is even more likely in a girls game. Although girls may wait a quarter or two to get their revenge...lol

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

I agree and in fact this type of rough play and the retaliation is even more likely in a girls game. Although girls may wait a quarter or two to get their revenge...lol

And are even less subtle about it.