VCU-UMASS - Block/Charge (Video x2)

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

On #1 I have a PC. B1 attained LGP as A1 was crossing the division line and I didn't see anything to indicate he lost LGP after that. The forearm didn't help A1's cause.

On #2...that falls into the category of a "lose a game check" offense. As I mentioned in another thread, supervisors can deal with it if we kick calls but messing up a rule is another story.

110% concur on both accounts.

1-Scratched my head for a long time about the 'Defender tried to get in A1's path but was not able to do so with 2 feet down to get LGP before contact.' part of Camron's post. Never thought the rules had a requirement for establishing, much less maintaining LGP coincident with the illegal contact.
I always train new officials that there is a video and not a snapshot that needs to be evaluated for block vs charge plays.

2-How in heII can 4 D-1 officials botch such an obvious call?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by justacoach

110% concur on both accounts.

1-Scratched my head for a long time about the 'Defender tried to get in A1's path but was not able to do so with 2 feet down to get LGP before contact.' part of Camron's post. Never thought the rules had a requirement for establishing, much less maintaining LGP coincident with the illegal contact.
I always train new officials that there is a video and not a snapshot that needs to be evaluated for block vs charge plays.

2-How in heII can 4 D-1 officials botch such an obvious call?

Some seem to define "path" far more narrowly than others.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by justacoach

110% concur on both accounts.

1-Scratched my head for a long time about the 'Defender tried to get in A1's path but was not able to do so with 2 feet down to get LGP before contact.' part of Camron's post. Never thought the rules had a requirement for establishing, much less maintaining LGP coincident with the illegal contact.
I always train new officials that there is a video and not a snapshot that needs to be evaluated for block vs charge plays.

Whatever forearm there was (and it was not one that I'd even call on its own) was after the block was done so it doesn't matter.

The defender had LGP when the offense was near half court but lost it IMO when A1 diverted to the side and B1 rotated to be able to move more quickly to get back into A1's path (seen about 24 and 28 seconds into the video). He tried to get back in front of A1, He does, but never gets the 2nd foot back down before contact to reestablish LGP.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Whatever forearm there was (and it was not one that I'd even call on its own) was after the block was done so it doesn't matter.

The defender had LGP when the offense was near half court but lost it IMO when A1 diverted to the side and B1 rotated to be able to move more quickly to get back into A1's path (seen about 24 and 28 seconds into the video). He tried to get back in front of A1, He does, but never gets the 2nd foot back down before contact to reestablish LGP.

I don't agree. He never lost LGP and the defender is allowed to move is he not? the offensive player never beat him or caused him to lose LGP either. Contact is on the offensive player. CHARRRRRGGGEEE!!!!

But for NCAA-M this year. The block is totally acceptable.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by deecee

But for NCAA-M this year. The block is totally acceptable.

I don't like beating dead horses, but the rule change on the NCAA-M side has nothing to do with this play.

Originally Posted by johnny d

I don't like beating dead horses, but the rule change on the NCAA-M side has nothing to do with this play.

He's joking :P

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I don't like beating dead horses, but the rule change on the NCAA-M side has nothing to do with this play.

I think he started his upward motion.

Yes the rules change has a lot to do with this play as now pretty much everything is now defaulted to a block.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I think he started his upward motion.

Yes the rules change has a lot to do with this play as now pretty much everything is now defaulted to a block.

Sure, he started it before contact, but I don't think he started it before the defender was in position.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I think he started his upward motion.

Yes the rules change has a lot to do with this play as now pretty much everything is now defaulted to a block.

This play has nothing to do with any upward motion as the player never even ended his dribble.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Adam

Sure, he started it before contact, but I don't think he started it before the defender was in position.

Originally Posted by APG

This play has nothing to do with any upward motion as the player never even ended his dribble.

= joke

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by APG

This play has nothing to do with any upward motion as the player never even ended his dribble.

Nor is it a secondary defender.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by deecee

I don't agree. He never lost LGP and the defender is allowed to move is he not? the offensive player never beat him or caused him to lose LGP either. Contact is on the offensive player. CHARRRRRGGGEEE!!!!

Yes, the defender can move, but he has to stay in the path 100% of the time, I don't feel he did.