Block/charge and game situation

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Rich

OP, film don't lie. When the defensive coach clips that one play and sends it to your assignor / supervisor / state, good luck explaining away the call.

I know I'm quoting myself, but I learned this lesson in football. I work college football and coaches are NOTORIOUS there for clipping plays and sending them along. They only clip the ones they don't like and there's absolutely no context from play to play.

It could be a 50 point game, but if you (deliberately or otherwise) tank a call (whether it be a block/charge in hoops or an *obvious* DPI in football) you'll not score any points. Doesn't matter if it goes against the winning or losing teams, either.

Save that mentality for the true 50/50 calls.

[zm1283]

Had a less experienced partner working with us in the first game of our JV/V doubleheader last night. He calls a three second violation against the visitors in the 4th quarter when they're down 40+. We get in the locker room and discuss time and score and how letting that slide might be better for game management. No one from the visitors said anything, but there are coaches who would.

On the other hand, in the same game at the very end I had a visiting player slide underneath an airborne shooter before he had a chance to land, putting both of them on the floor. Easy block call even though they're down 40. I'm not really good enough on fouls to purposely call them for the losing team, but I can choose not to call a three second violation on them and no one is the wiser.

[deecee]

I agree with the above sentiment. I get really peeved when I hear guys talk like that.

[stick]

Originally Posted by deecee

I agree with the above sentiment. I get really peeved when I hear guys talk like that.

Count me in with that also. Earlier this year in the 3rd qtr in a BV game I came to find out that after I called a foul on the "star" of this team, it was his 4th foul. During a TO one of my partners called the 2 of us over and stated "he has 4 and since he's their best player lets not foul him out." exact words. I didn't say anything but to me that's bs.

[rockyroad]

Like it or not, that WAS the philosophy...about 15 years ago. Sounds like this "experienced official" hasn't quite caught up with the times!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Like it or not, that WAS the philosophy...about 15 years ago. Sounds like this "experienced official" hasn't quite caught up with the times!

A1, and B1, go for a rebound. B1 has inside position. A1, from behind, gives B1 a little push, causing B1 miss possessing the rebound, and also causing him to touch the ball before it goes out of bounds.

Thirty years ago, back in the olden days, this was a easy call. Ignore the contact, but give Team B the ball for a throwin. I made this call dozens of times.

Today. Different story. Now we have to chose. Foul on A1, or throwin for Team A. No other choices here.

It's a different world. Like JRutledge said, it's the "Video Age".

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by zm1283

He calls a three second violation against the visitors in the 4th quarter when they're down 40+...

...but I can choose not to call a three second violation on them and no one is the wiser.

Plus the potential for injury is MUCH higher on the charge that gets ignored or switched to a block than the ignored 3 second violation. I know it's a "duh" thing but there it is.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rich

I know I'm quoting myself, but I learned this lesson in football. I work college football and coaches are NOTORIOUS there for clipping plays and sending them along. They only clip the ones they don't like and there's absolutely no context from play to play.

It could be a 50 point game, but if you (deliberately or otherwise) tank a call (whether it be a block/charge in hoops or an *obvious* DPI in football) you'll not score any points. Doesn't matter if it goes against the winning or losing teams, either.

Save that mentality for the true 50/50 calls.

Totally agree. We are in the video age. Maybe that worked 20 years ago before YouTube and Facebook and Instagram took hold our the awareness of our society. We have to be very careful of what we do as officials. And all it takes is one play to be sent on for review and we are in trouble. Just look at what happened in the ASU-UA game last Friday. Those officials were told they were wrong and that could have changed the outcome if they simply did their job.

About 8-10 years ago I worked with an official that wanted me to not call a foul on the losing team player that was about to foul out, because he believed in this "kill them with kindness" crap. I called a foul where the player that fouled him was the only one around the ball handler that was fouled. Then he wanted me to change my foul call to a player that was 10 feet away from the play. I refused and if they were taping the game (and they were) it would have shown me to be totally incompetent and not foul the right player. We have to be very careful with trying to help out the losing team even when we do not want to ruffle feathers.

Peace