NC State at Syracuse ending

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm more interest in the play at 41.4 seconds of the 2nd half when the Trail comes very late with foul call after Lead had already signaled OOBs.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A. PC foul on Syracuse guard.
B. Foul by Syracuse after long pass.

1. In the act of shooting?
2. Flagrant 1 (NFHS intentional personal)?

C. Lead calling BI on final hoop.

All of the plays are on this clip in chronological order. There's only one replay of the BI because there was only one angle where we can see the officials' positions.

[Adam]

I think a patient whistle on #3 would have been withheld in the end. Other than that, I agree with the other three calls.

[blindzebra]

The OOB/foul play bothers me. One it looks bad and two the contact was well after the shot was blocked. The Hightowerish theatrics after the foul call and BI could be toned down as well.

[maroonx]

On the Syracuse PC foul, right before that even at game speed guard committed a dribbling violation. Ball rested in his hands. Anyone see that?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by maroonx

On the Syracuse PC foul, right before that even at game speed guard committed a dribbling violation. Ball rested in his hands. Anyone see that?

I was going to comment also that the PC contact was proceeding by a palming violation.

[maroonx]

In the pre-game , do officials discuss what they will call and not call let's say in the last 4 minutes of the game ? That dribbling was so obvious. The C and L could if easily picked that up.

Play 1: Block, defender got hand level to the ball.

Play 2: PC

Play 3: Count it.

Play 4: Good call. I'm fine with Lead helping in transition.

[Raymond]

As far as Nevada's play C (#3 on video), Art Hyland will be coming out with a new NCAA-Men's interpretation of "shooting/continuous motion". Upward motion is going to be defined as the beginning of the habitual shooting motion.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The OOB/foul play bothers me. One it looks bad and two the contact was well after the shot was blocked. The Hightowerish theatrics after the foul call and BI could be toned down as well.

The Trail official saw the illegal contact on the shooter, looked to see if the Lead was calling the foul, then when clear that the Lead DID NOT SEE IT, came in with a VERY STRONG whistle (which he ABSOLUTELY should in this situation) and sold the call.

I'll be the Lead was glad that Trail came and got that one right.

[twocentsworth]

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

This is a high-level game being played in a football stadium in front of 30,000+ people at the most intense part of the game. In each of the calls made in the video, the officials "matched the moment" with their mechanics/strength of calls.....

What you or I do in a high-school/small college gym in front of 100 people "ain't gonna work" here.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

This is a high-level game being played in a football stadium in front of 30,000+ people at the most intense part of the game. In each of the calls made in the video, the officials "matched the moment" with their mechanics/strength of calls.....

What you or I do in a high-school/small college gym in front of 100 people "ain't gonna work" here.

I fully agree with this. Make the call match the play.

I also think we're trained to be a little too subdued in HS but that's an argument for another day.

Originally Posted by maroonx

In the pre-game , do officials discuss what they will call and not call let's say in the last 4 minutes of the game ?

Uh, no.

Originally Posted by Adam

I think a patient whistle on #3 would have been withheld in the end.

Originally Posted by Adam

Frankly, I would like to think I'd have passed on that one altogether.

I believe Syracuse had a foul to give, and were trying to give it. You are saying you would not call this?

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

Originally Posted by Welpe

Make the call match the play.

In the third play, how much you guys wanna bet the Lead yelled "ON THE FLOOR!!!" while pointing to the ground??

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

This is a high-level game being played in a football stadium in front of 30,000+ people at the most intense part of the game. In each of the calls made in the video, the officials "matched the moment" with their mechanics/strength of calls.....

What you or I do in a high-school/small college gym in front of 100 people "ain't gonna work" here.

Absolutely. Probably louder than most of us could ever imagine. He was trying to get his partner's attention and let him know he had a foul. I see very little problem with that kind of action in that moment.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The Trail official saw the illegal contact on the shooter, looked to see if the Lead was calling the foul, then when clear that the Lead DID NOT SEE IT, came in with a VERY STRONG whistle (which he ABSOLUTELY should in this situation) and sold the call.

I'll be the Lead was glad that Trail came and got that one right.

Not sure what video you were watching but in no way did he wait for lead. He almost immediately hit the whistle with a fist and then repeated put it up and down.

On the BI he came off the endline almost to the 28 foot mark, again repeatedly dropping the it counts signal.

In no way was it rising to the moment, it was all about look at me make this call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure what video you were watching but in no way did he wait for lead. He almost immediately hit the whistle with a fist and then repeated put it up and down.

On the BI he came off the endline almost to the 28 foot mark, again repeatedly dropping the it counts signal.

In no way was it rising to the moment, it was all about look at me make this call.

Uhh? In Play #1, the Lead has signaled OOB before his fist comes up.

Play #4 stops and he hasn't even crossed the FTLE.

I would say you are the one trying to sell something.