Weird situation

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by yooperbballref

Had something like this last week. Time running out in the 1st quarter with team A on a fast break. While A1 was in his shooting motion he was fouled before the horn sounded.
The weird situation came in when the ball was still in his had when the horn when off, and when he did shoot it the ball went in. We ended up waving off the basket but sending the player to the line to shoot 2 shots.

Wouldn't you still count the basket here, under the "continuous motion" rule? I mean, how can you have a foul on an airborne shooter if the result of the shot doesn't matter? Or is that just the rule?

[DjSpaceCaptain]

Thanks everyone that is kinda what i thought. At the time, I was the one who called the foul and my partner was the one who called the basket good and the basket interference. He chose to give only one foul shot because we didn't know. The shooting team was up by 20 ish so it did not matter only having one shot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Wouldn't you still count the basket here, under the "continuous motion" rule? I mean, how can you have a foul on an airborne shooter if the result of the shot doesn't matter? Or is that just the rule?

No. If the shot isn't released before the horn, it cannot count.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

No. If the shot isn't released before the horn, it cannot count.

That makes sense, it just seems odd that you can having free throws for a shooting foul if the shot itself doesn't count. Seems to me that either the shot counts and you have the free throws, or the shot doesn't count and there are no free throws.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Wouldn't you still count the basket here, under the "continuous motion" rule?

No. The ball was still in his hand when the horn sounded. He's still get his free throws, with no rebounders along the lane, but the field goal won't count if the ball goes in.

If the ball had been released, and in the air, when the horn sounded, then the field goal would count, if the ball went in, and one free throw, with no rebounders, would be given to the shooter.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

No. The ball was still in his hand when the horn sounded. He's still get his free throws, with no rebounders along the lane, but the field goal won't count if the ball goes in.

If the ball had been released, and in the air, when the horn sounded, then the field goal would count, if the ball went in, and one free throw, with no rebounders, would be given to the shooter.

Okay. Just checking.

He was fouled in the act of shooting, therefore he gets free throws. However, since the ball wasn't released until after the horn sounded it's counted as a missed shot.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Okay. Just checking.

He was fouled in the act of shooting, therefore he gets free throws. However, since the ball wasn't released until after the horn sounded it's counted as a missed shot.

That's assuming you don't have definite knowledge as to how much time was on the clock when the foul occurred.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Okay. Just checking.

He was fouled in the act of shooting, therefore he gets free throws. However, since the ball wasn't released until after the horn sounded it's counted as a missed shot.

I wasn't aware missed shots counted against stats if the shooter was fouled.

Then again, I couldn't care less about stats.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by APG

That's assuming you don't have definite knowledge as to how much time was on the clock when the foul occurred.

So what if you know there was... say... .2 seconds on the clock when he was fouled. Do you then count the basket? But if the clock was out when he got the shot off, would the time of the foul matter?

Originally Posted by Adam

I wasn't aware missed shots counted against stats if the shooter was fouled.

Then again, I couldn't care less about stats.

Oh, I don't care about stats, so I didn't mean to go there with that. I was only speaking in terms of how we handle things.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So what if you know there was... say... .2 seconds on the clock when he was fouled. Do you then count the basket? But if the clock was out when he got the shot off, would the time of the foul matter?


Oh, I don't care about stats, so I didn't mean to go there with that. I was only speaking in terms of how we handle things.

If you have definite knowledge of the time on the clock when he was fouled, then you would put the time on the clock and count the basket, regardless of whether the horn sounded prior to the release.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

So what if you know there was... say... .2 seconds on the clock when he was fouled. Do you then count the basket? But if the clock was out when he got the shot off, would the time of the foul matter?

Yes. That basket would count since time didn't really expire. The horn erroneously sounded.

Technically, the clock should stop at the exact time of the foul. In practice, there will always be a bit of delay between the foul and the whistle and then from the whistle to the stopping of the clock. If you know how much time was on the clock when the whistle sounded, then you can put that back.

A slow whistle at the end of the game can disadvantage a team if time ultimately expires by the time you put air into the whistle for a foul and they can't get the shot off. The presence of the foul may have been the reason they couldn't get the shot off in time. If we call that foul when it actually occurs, the offended player will not get the shorted a shot they deserved.

[BryanV21]

Thanks, guys