Looking for a balance

[rawhi1]

I had a middle school game score 45-44 with 10.8 seconds left. Team trailing just fouled had team leading shooting one in one. Trailing teams player was outside three point line but below free throw line extended. Player misses fIrst free throw and I call vioLation. Trailing teams coach comes out on floor my partner who is administering free throw points at him and go to explain the violation which doesn't occur that often. Coach doesn't want to listen I get cursed out and I T the head coach. I inform my partner what happened and try to get him to go back down and tell coach what's about to happen and put seatbelt on. One in one noone on line then technical foul shots and ball to shooting team. He just waves at me as in you handle it. To get the game done as expected I go back to talk to coach and I get the second barrel cursed out hand in face. I promptly and professionally toss the coach. He leaves after about a minute. Free throws shot his team loses by about 5 points thanks to him. My partner says after the game I should have passed on the first tech. I told him he didn't curse you out. I didn't mention that he could have helped me by keeping me from going back to talk to coach. All said we gonna make mistakes and make some tough calls. That's our job. When you feel a coach needs to be dealt with do it and have a good conscience. The word will get around that your not the one to try. Balance that with patience and common sense and you'll be ok.

[Raymond]

I'm not excusing coach's behavior, or saying the T's were bad.

But in the future don't let that type of violation happen. If your partner still has the ball, and you see a player where he/she isn't supposed to be, get the player to move back to a legal position.

[rawhi1]

The free thrower had already received the ball when I saw him and I moved down (2 man trail tableside) to free throw line too get a good look before I made the call. I understand what your saying but if we start coaching we,re not doing our job at that point. I've coach at middle school then varsity level won numerous conference and lower state and a state runner up championship. I coached my players who couldn't line up on blocks to line up from top of key back toward midcourt. I received rule books every year. Read em when I felt like it. Never saw that call until a game last year my fifth year officiating. I called it twice and heard of it being called by another official in a different game. If I see a player trying to line up but is allowed a place on the block we back him out above the three point line at top of Key. Anything else its on the coach and layer. If I start coaching I've given an advantage to the other team. The saying goes its hard but its fair.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rawhi1

The free thrower had already received the ball when I saw him and I moved down (2 man trail tableside) to free throw line too get a good look before I made the call.

In that case, it needs to be penalized.

But, both (all) officials should look before administering the FT, and it's not coaching, it's preventive officiating.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rawhi1

The free thrower had already received the ball when I saw him and I moved down (2 man trail tableside) to free throw line too get a good look before I made the call. I understand what your saying but if we start coaching we,re not doing our job at that point. I've coach at middle school then varsity level won numerous conference and lower state and a state runner up championship. I coached my players who couldn't line up on blocks to line up from top of key back toward midcourt. I received rule books every year. Read em when I felt like it. Never saw that call until a game last year my fifth year officiating. I called it twice and heard of it being called by another official in a different game. If I see a player trying to line up but is allowed a place on the block we back him out above the three point line at top of Key. Anything else its on the coach and layer. If I start coaching I've given an advantage to the other team. The saying goes its hard but its fair.

Which is why I said 'if your partner still has the ball'. The higher level you officiate the more supervisors expect their officials to prevent these type of nuisance calls from having to be called. Its not coaching, its managing the game.