Looking for a balance

[letemplay]

Originally Posted by Rich

The winning coach was a jerk in the original scenario. Just goes to show that many coaches will not hesitate to throw the officials under the bus. Then again, it sounds like your assignor was willing to take the coach's word at face value, which is equally disturbing.

I don't see the OP this way. Sounds like it was the AD that went to the assignor. He was probably wandering about the gym doing diff stuff AD's do...making sure the chili is hot enough on the hot dogs at concession in lobby..and taking some parents complaints.

Also have a prob with something else in OP: partners suggesting afterwards that you could have called a block instead of what you saw as a charge, just because team was behind on scoreboard

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by letemplay

I don't see the OP this way. Sounds like it was the AD that went to the assignor. He was probably wandering about the gym doing diff stuff AD's do...making sure the chili is hot enough on the hot dogs at concession in lobby..and taking some parents complaints.

Also have a prob with something else in OP: partners suggesting afterwards that you could have called a block instead of what you saw as a charge, just because team was behind on scoreboard

Yes the Home HC was not a jerk at all. I think the AD was just doing his thing as you stated, and because we were in a gym with about 11 fans he heard every word from the coach and thought these guys are letting him get away with an awful lot.

He said it was "close enough" to call it a block. I didn't say so in the locker room to the veteran R, but I felt myself that if that girls gets that spot and takes the contact she earned the charge and she's getting it from me. I'm all for ignoring some bumps that are iffy in a blowout scenario but couldn't just go the other way with this one.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

I don't give the trailing team a break just because they are behind. I consider that poor officiating.

I really don't see it any different than giving the home team the breaks.

I call what I believe is right and I live with it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SE Minnestoa Re

I don't give the trailing team a break just because they are behind. I consider that poor officiating.

I really don't see it any different than giving the home team the breaks.

I call what I believe is right and I live with it.

I agree. That said, when a team is down 30 points and the coach is frustrated -- this isn't the right time to miss one that benefits the losing team. It's why we have to stay mentally focused from beginning to end, even in the blowouts.

We're getting to the end of most of our seasons now and people are frustrated for different reasons. And officials that work a lot of games might find their ropes are a bit shorter than they were in November. All part of the territory.

[twocentsworth]

"You Promote What You Permit"

The level of tolerance you may have for coaches complaining, begging, or whining, should NOT change based on the score or competitiveness of the game.

Whatever techniques or methods you use to deal with coaches in a competitive game are the same you should employ in the blowout with no one in the gym. The sign of a true "professional" official is doing everything on a consistent basis, night in and night out.

[letemplay]

A coach that's down by 30 and showing his a$$ is maybe trying to get run. I mean what's the point man...your team is probably terrible (this night at least) and whose fault is that, while everyone in gym can see it. He needs to shut up and probably deserves LESS leeway (for me anyway) than someone in a tight contest, where naturally you'd expect some stuff.

[CountTheBasket]

Really appreciate all the feedback guys. I knew I blew it leaving the gym Monday night, just didn't feel like the game was managed well at all.

Then after handling what I felt needed to be handled last night and my partners referencing the scoreboard as a reason to back off my head was a mess.

Obviously every scenario has it's own variables, but I feel I learned from Monday night and wouldn't change anything about how I handled last night.

[MD Longhorn]

Honestly - the amount of nonsense you take from any coach should have absolutely nothing to do with the score. That said, I echo some of Rich's comments. Sounds like AD was being a tool - and your assignor taking him at face value is problematical. Just because the AD felt you let too much go doesn't mean you let too much go. And perhaps he heard more than normal because of the empty gym - it's entirely possible the coach was no worse than any other coach, it was just more hearable because of the lack of fans --- only YOU can really answer that for us. It bothers me quite a bit that the assignor assumed the AD was right.

[CountTheBasket]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

It bothers me quite a bit that the assignor assumed the AD was right.

He didn't, he claimed it was "hear say" in the email. Said he requested video, and also this particular school requests a clock operator (in this case a veteran official who had to have his knees done so is out of service this year) so he asked for his feedback which he gave to me; I just didn't want to make the OP longer than it already was.

We did let him get away with too much, what I first chalked up to his frustration with his team and being overly animated, I let get to this is annoying but look at the time and score let's just get out of here.

I can come up with a list of reasons why I wasn't as focused for this game as I should've been but none of it matters: it wasn't handled correctly. I've chalked it up as a learning experience and a good reminder to never let myself mentally take the night off no matter what I think the game has in store for me.

[SE Minnestoa Re]

Originally Posted by Rich

I agree. That said, when a team is down 30 points and the coach is frustrated -- this isn't the right time to miss one that benefits the losing team. It's why we have to stay mentally focused from beginning to end, even in the blowouts.

We're getting to the end of most of our seasons now and people are frustrated for different reasons. And officials that work a lot of games might find their ropes are a bit shorter than they were in November. All part of the territory.

Agreed

[Rich]

Originally Posted by letemplay

I don't see the OP this way. Sounds like it was the AD that went to the assignor. He was probably wandering about the gym doing diff stuff AD's do...making sure the chili is hot enough on the hot dogs at concession in lobby..and taking some parents complaints.

Also have a prob with something else in OP: partners suggesting afterwards that you could have called a block instead of what you saw as a charge, just because team was behind on scoreboard

Sorry, I read coach into it and should've said AD.