Wish me luck!

[Nevadaref]

Why are you using the punch signal for a player control foul?
That's the signal for a team control foul.

If you signal and so does your partner, BY RULE, you report a double foul and resume at POI.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why are you using the punch signal for a player control foul?
That's the signal for a team control foul.

If you signal and so does your partner, BY RULE, you report a double foul and resume at POI.

They're only different fouls due to legacy....from the time when the penalties were not the same. Under the current rules, there is nothing about PC that isn't (or can't) be covered by TC. They're both fouls by a player of the team in control of the ball. PC is just specific to one of the players. PC does include the airborne shooter but that clause could just as easily be moved to the TC rule.

As for why someone punches for a PC foul, our state has approved that signal. No one thinks the hand behind the head signal is any good. It is the weakest signal in the book for one of the biggest calls.

Agree on the double foul result.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The're only different fouls due to legacy....from the time when the penalties were not the same. Under the current rules, there is nothing about PC that isn't (or can't) be covered by PC. They're both fouls by a player of the team in control of the ball. PC is just specific to one of the players. PC does include the airborne shooter but that clause could just as easily be moved to the TC rule.

As for why someone punches for a PC foul, our state has approved that signal. No one thinks the head behind the hand signal is any good. It is the weakest signal in the book for one of the biggest calls.

Agree on the double foul result.

Been one of those days, huh?

[Nevadaref]

Hey Camron,
Have you seen the NFHS survey posted by BillyMac? The punch signal is listed in part 3.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Been one of those days, huh?

Yup. At least I can feel good about catching those and a couple more you didn't catch before you posted.

Here is a picture of what I had in mind:

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you signal and so does your partner, BY RULE, you report a double foul and resume at POI.

Could you quote the rule?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Could you quote the rule?

Try fishing for one of the newbies. I'm not biting.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Try fishing for one of the newbies. I'm not biting.

Actually, the OP brings up a serious question. The case play now reads that one official rules this and the other rules that.

In the OP the officials made conflicting rulings. We know this because one made the signal and the other told us what his ruling was. Why are they not obligated to report both fouls regardless of what signals were or were not made? I have never heard an answer to this question, satisfactory or not.

[JRutledge]

And you are the only one not understanding this too.

Peace

[just another ref]

There's nothing to understand. I thought Nevada was scolding the OP for walking away from what was described as a partial signal. I thought the OP might want an explanation of how much is too much, and when a signal is binding, and why. I know I do.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There's nothing to understand. I thought Nevada was scolding the OP for walking away from what was described as a partial signal. I thought the OP might want an explanation of how much is too much, and when a signal is binding, and why. I know I do.

Ask your supervisors and see what they say.

Originally Posted by just another ref

There's nothing to understand. I thought Nevada was scolding the OP for walking away from what was described as a partial signal. I thought the OP might want an explanation of how much is too much, and when a signal is binding, and why. I know I do.

As you know, the "ruling" is made whenever an official thinks in his brain block or charge. Unless jeremy341a's brain accidentally made him signal PC instead of block, you gotta report that blarge.

Otherwise just tell the coach your brain made you do the wrong signal. He'll understand.