Does the dribble end?

[The R]

A1 is dribbling the ball: (a) let's the ball come to rest on the floor or (b) pins the ball to the floor with his hand. Then, while the ball is resting on the floor, strikes the ball with the palm of his hand causing it to begin bouncing again and continues dribbling the ball.

Legal?
Rules support please.

[tjones1]

4-15-4

The dribble ends when:

a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. The ball touches or is touched by an opponent and causes the dribbler to lose control.
e. The ball becomes dead.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by tjones1

4-15-4

The dribble ends when:

a. The dribbler catches or causes the ball to come to rest in one or both hands.
b. The dribbler palms/carries the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands.
c. The dribbler simultaneously touches the ball with both hands.
d. The ball touches or is touched by an opponent and causes the dribbler to lose control.
e. The ball becomes dead.

In the OP's b assuming a normal dribble to be able to pin the ball to the floor the ball would have to come to rest in his/her hand. Subsequent dribbling would be an illegal dribble without intervention.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

In the OP's b assuming a normal dribble to be able to pin the ball to the floor the ball would have to come to rest in his/her hand. Subsequent dribbling would be an illegal dribble without intervention.

I'm not sure I'd consider a pinned ball to be at rest in the player's hand.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm not sure I'd consider a pinned ball to be at rest in the player's hand.

On the way down with the ball it would have to be at rest.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

On the way down with the ball it would have to be at rest.

"On the way down" and "at rest" are by definition opposites.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

"On the way down" and "at rest" are by definition opposites.

Not quite. The hand could stay on contact with the ball all the way down to the court and have the ball considered at rest.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

Not quite. The hand could stay on contact with the ball all the way down to the court and have the ball considered at rest.

No, not at all. The hand could stay on contact with the ball all the way down to the court and still be part of a legal dribble... because the moving ball is not "at rest". It's not until the ball is actually "at rest" that it ends the dribble.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

No, not at all. The hand could stay on contact with the ball all the way down to the court and still be part of a legal dribble... because the moving ball is not "at rest". It's not until the ball is actually "at rest" that it ends the dribble.

Are your saying that as long as the player keeps moving the ball, it is not at rest? Seems like a lot of palming/carries are never "at rest" but they're still illegal. And the rulings on that topic are all based on "at rest".

[Rob1968]

4-15-1 . . . A dribble is ball movement . . .
4-15-5 . . . An interrupted dribble occurs when the ball is loose . . .

In the OP, the dribble has ended, when the dribbling movevement is ended, and since it can't be an interrupted dribble, because the ball is not loose, I would probably call the subsequent action a second dribble = violation.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'm not sure I'd consider a pinned ball to be at rest in the player's hand.

Agree. In this case, the player is esentially holding the ball. No different really (in my opinion) than if they were pinning the ball to their hip or another part of their body. I'd consider the ball at rest in the player's hand.

[Zoochy]

Is pinning the ball to the court considered 'Control'?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Is pinning the ball to the court considered 'Control'?

Not covered, afaik. No matter how many times it's been discussed / asked.

Some very good people will say yes and some very good people will say no.

I personally think it depends on the exact situation, "intent" and the time the ball is pinned.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Are your saying that as long as the player keeps moving the ball, it is not at rest? Seems like a lot of palming/carries are never "at rest" but they're still illegal. And the rulings on that topic are all based on "at rest".

True - if you change the scenario entirely, the answer is different. He was talking about a dribbler maintaining contact with a dribble all the way to the floor.