Marcus Smart shove - OK State/Texas Tech (Video)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

"Dad - I'm sick of playing for Suck High School - they are awful, scouts are never going to see me play."
"OK, son - go live with these people and you can change schools and play for a better team."

"Ah ... cool. I'm an athlete, I will be coddled and provided for - I can do whatever I want."

Athletic affluenza.

And if you changed athletics to other activities or a kid said that to his dad about safety at a school, that is a problem? I know parents that send their kids from a public school to a private school because the private school has a track record to get kids to college outside of athletics. Again, I do not see why this is a bad situation if a family can afford the move or the tuition. I have always found that kind of thinking to be silly on so many levels. If the schools are not giving anything illegal or benefits they would have not gotten going to another school, then what the heck is the problem?

Peace

[junruh07]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If the schools are not giving anything illegal or benefits they would have not gotten going to another school, then what the heck is the problem?

Peace

This is the problem. If families were moving in a vacuum to get more exposure, I wouldn't have too big of a problem with that. The problem is some coach or booster comes up and says, "hey kid. Are you tired of going to Suck High School? I'll pay for you to move, give your parents a cushy job, or some other such thing for you to come play for us." That's a problem, and from what I have read in this thread, that is where the Texas rule comes from.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by junruh07

This is the problem. If families were moving in a vacuum to get more exposure, I wouldn't have too big of a problem with that. The problem is some coach or booster comes up and says, "hey kid. Are you tired of going to Suck High School? I'll pay for you to move, give your parents a cushy job, or some other such thing for you to come play for us." That's a problem, and from what I have read in this thread, that is where the Texas rule comes from.

For the record these kinds of rules are not unique to Texas. But not every move or transfer is done for these reasons. And even if the move is athletically motivated, I still do not see the big deal if the family made that decision for their kids.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

For the record these kinds of rules are not unique to Texas. But not every move or transfer is done for these reasons. And even if the move is athletically motivated, I still do not see the big deal if the family made that decision for their kids.

Peace

Exactly. You don't see it. And unless you lived here when it was a problem, you won't see it.

Rut - you refer to urban situations in your area that I could never fathom, and would never have a chance of truly understanding. When you do, I take you at face value. I could NOT truly understand where you're coming from - I don't have the context for it.

You do not fathom the situation that has existed here - you don't have the context for it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Exactly. You don't see it. And unless you lived here when it was a problem, you won't see it.

Rut - you refer to urban situations in your area that I could never fathom, and would never have a chance of truly understanding. When you do, I take you at face value. I could NOT truly understand where you're coming from - I don't have the context for it.

You do not fathom the situation that has existed here - you don't have the context for it.

Who said anything about "urban" whatever that is supposed to mean. I live in a suburban area and once lived in a rural part of my state. Parents would move a kid from one rural area to another if they felt they were helping their kids get a better opportunity. And it is often controversial here when a kid goes from a public school district to a private school and it is often assumed that the private school did something nefarious to get that athlete.

I know people from Texas think the world does not exist outside of that state, but things you are saying is a constant conversation here. Schools are just not spending millions to make a football stadium. But still the same basic issues come up here, I just have never understood why people feel it is wrong to move a kid if it benefits their chances at other opportunities.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just have never understood why people feel it is wrong to move a kid if it benefits their chances at other opportunities.

Peace

You're right. You don't. And you won't. And that's ok.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by junruh07

"hey kid. Are you tired of going to suck high school? I'll pay for you to move, give your parents a cushy job, or some other such thing for you to come play for us. Welcome to Odessa Permian."

fify.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And if you changed athletics to other activities or a kid said that to his dad about safety at a school, that is a problem? I know parents that send their kids from a public school to a private school because the private school has a track record to get kids to college outside of athletics. Again, I do not see why this is a bad situation if a family can afford the move or the tuition. I have always found that kind of thinking to be silly on so many levels. If the schools are not giving anything illegal or benefits they would have not gotten going to another school, then what the heck is the problem?

Peace

A) Private schools do not fall under the jurisdiction of the rules we're discussing here.

B) Other activities? "Dad, the college cello playing scouts won't see me if we don't change schools"? "Dad, our math club sucks, can I move schools?" Um ... what the fungus are you referring to here? (As to safety - no, that's not a problem. The kid is not being entitled if he tells his parents he's afraid for his safety and wants to move. Completely different scenario).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

A) Private schools do not fall under the jurisdiction of the rules we're discussing here.

Maybe in Texas. Here public and private schools play for the State Titles.

Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

B) Other activities? "Dad, the college cello playing scouts won't see me if we don't change schools"? "Dad, our math club sucks, can I move schools?" Um ... what the fungus are you referring to here? (As to safety - no, that's not a problem. The kid is not being entitled if he tells his parents he's afraid for his safety and wants to move. Completely different scenario).

So are you telling me that one school cannot have a better musical program or computer science program over another school? And a parent would not consider that when trying to get their kid into a better college?

I do not even have kids and that is a conversation I have had with parents that have choice to go to another school in the same school district.

Peace

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

So are you telling me that one school cannot have a better musical program or computer science program over another school? And a parent would not consider that when trying to get their kid into a better college?

No. I'm not telling you that. Why do you insist on stating that I'm telling you something and then disagree with what I didn't even say in the first place?

[jeremy341a]

Smart should have followed Dalton's advise.
Sorry but I can't but to think of this with all of the "but he got called ____ " comments. Bottom line control yourself.

Warning for language in the video.

[BillyMac]

Connecticut is moving more toward school choice. Magnet schools, charter schools, etc. Many kids no longer have to go to the high school that is geographically within their town, or city, borders, or in one geographic part of a city. We even have a school that specializes in sports, and medical, sciences. Kids can chose to go to this high school because they're interested on a career in sports, player, administrator, coach, agent, media, etc.

[deecee]

Funny how we "want" kids to have the best opportunity they can have, but NOT at the expense of what the people making the rules for "fairness" think it should be. I really hate some of the eligibility rules.

[Texas Aggie]

So are you telling me that one school cannot have a better musical program or computer science program over another school? And a parent would not consider that when trying to get their kid into a better college?

A band director might be thrilled a quality trumpet or oboe player is moving into his district and will now attend his school. But he isn't going to be out there finding people that will pay for an apartment or pay for moving costs to get that kid to that district. Part of the rule is to keep parents from athletics over anything else but the other part is to prevent shady deals.

I know this happens everywhere and each state or other jurisdiction has their own rules to deal with it. And while I'm as big a proponent of school athletics as anyone who ever lived, if you find the rare case of a family moving a HS kid so he can be on a better debate squad, most (including me) would agree that that is a little more of a co-curricular activity than sports. In addition, the UIL (in Texas, obviously) doesn't have jurisdiction over all activities. Even those they do have, like debate, are ignored since being disqualified from the UIL tournament means nothing to debate students who compete under totally different organizations. Sort of like select athletic teams, but that's getting into a whole other can of worms.