Marcus Smart shove - OK State/Texas Tech (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by maroonx

How does one hear a racial slur wrong? I need an example. This has no place in sports one of the few places in life where there is an equal playing field.

Some people expect to hear certain things and will hear them when they are not there.

We have an official that does that (and not in a racial way, he just thinks coaches are challenging him when they're just telling their kids to run a play or telling their kids why they got the foul call).

Or the fact that it was noisy and a lot of people were yelling a lot of things....mix three or four different people together and you can get some odd stuff.

[maroonx]

Ok.

[Nevadaref]

Fwiw I believe that Curtis Shaw is incorrect and that the fighting rule of the NCAA does cover the situation of a player vs a fan. The rule clearly says "individual." Also there have been past such incidents.

FIFA soccer's law on violent conduct is written similarly and definitely covers any violent conduct no matter whom it is taken against. The player would be red carded.

I definitely expect clarification from the NCAA on this for next season.

Good find by Okiezebra! That video conclusively proves that Curtis Shaw is spewing nonsense. He was certainly working D1 when that Texas game was played and couldn't have been unaware of it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I definitely expect clarification from the NCAA on this for next season.

Good find by Okiezebra! That video conclusively proves that Curtis Shaw is spewing nonsense. He was certainly working D1 when that Texas game was played and couldn't have been unaware of it.

This situation will likely be covered in the next bulletin on the Arbiter NCAA website on some level.

I do not blame Shaw for not remembering this past situation. He was not the supervisor and this was over 12 years ago. He probably was unaware of the situation or just forgot. And the NCAA back then did not have the video updates or information as they do today.


Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

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Good find by Okiezebra! That video conclusively proves that Curtis Shaw is spewing nonsense. He was certainly working D1 when that Texas game was played and couldn't have been unaware of it.

So you have knowledge of a precedent for ejecting a player in such a situation?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So you have knowledge of a precedent for ejecting a player in such a situation?

Good point, but Shaw also noted there had never been a situation like this at all.

[ronny mulkey]

Wasn't there an NFHS interpretation or casebook play that ruled that a player/team member that entered the stands to fight was to be considered "fighting"?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Maroon,

It's called deflection. I screwed up and I'm looking for support. The race card being played when convenient. It's like finding Jesus when convenient.

If a racial slur was thrown, let administration deal with it. There is no excuse for a player going into the stands and assaulting a fan.

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Wasn't there an NFHS interpretation or casebook play that ruled that a player/team member that entered the stands to fight was to be considered "fighting"?

He didn't GO into the stands. He ended up there as a result of the play.

What does "playing the race card' mean, and what "card" is played when someone distorts facts?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He didn't GO into the stands. He ended up there as a result of the play.

What does "playing the race card' mean, and what "card" is played when someone distorts facts?

The "card" is the one that certain people do not want to deal with and admit that certain things take place. You know, all this racism stuff went away in the 60s.

Peace

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

He didn't GO into the stands. He ended up there as a result of the play.

What does "playing the race card' mean, and what "card" is played when someone distorts facts?

The play took him 3 rows in. Reacting to the fan took him 10 rows in so that he could get to the guy. It's not so much how he got there, it's what he did after he got there.

Who distorted facts?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

The play took him 3 rows in. Reacting to the fan took him 10 rows in so that he could get to the guy. It's not so much how he got there, it's what he did after he got there.

Who distorted facts?

10 rows in, seriously. So Smart, who had just got helped to his feet by a fan, ran up 7 more rows to push the a$$-hole? If the guy was in row 10 while Smart was in row 3, how the hell did Smart know this guy said something?

That's what you saw? GTFOH

The jack-wagon was standing right there in the first row.

[ronny mulkey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

10 rows in, seriously. So Smart, who had just got helped to his feet by a fan, ran up 7 more rows to push the a$$-hole? If the guy was in row 10 while Smart was in row 3, how the hell did Smart know this guy said something?

That's what you saw? GTFOH

The jack-wagon was standing right there in the first row.

Badnews,

I may be wrong on the number of rows but Smart was moving rapidly and fell head long into the crowd and he is a long guy( (# of rows?) Whatever the guy said, he didn't bend over and whisper in his ear. Then Smart gets up and takes several giant steps more into the stands (#of rows?)

I'm not going to call you a troll or anything else, but the guy was not standing there in the front row.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

Badnews,

I may be wrong on the number of rows but Smart was moving rapidly and fell head long into the crowd and he is a long guy( (# of rows?) Whatever the guy said, he didn't bend over and whisper in his ear. Then Smart gets up and takes several giant steps more into the stands (#of rows?)

I'm not going to call you a troll or anything else, but the guy was not standing there in the front row.

Jeff Orr seat is in the first of row of seats behind the basket, 2nd seat from the aisle. A fact that you refuse to accept.

Plus you accuse Smart of playing the "race card", whatever that is, followed by purposely making a completely untrue statement about Smart running up 10 rows to shove Orr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ronny mulkey

The play took him 3 rows in. Reacting to the fan took him 10 rows in so that he could get to the guy. It's not so much how he got there, it's what he did after he got there.

Who distorted facts?

You are.

The fan was like in the first row behind the basket. Smart fell right behind or next to the basket. Smart took about one step after getting up to confront this Orr guy. So no one was in the 3rd row and no one was in the 10th row.

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