Flop on a PC foul (Video Added)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Embellishing contact that doesn't put someone at a disadvantage is also "faking being fouled" and it's rarely talked about in that context.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think there's a significant difference. Most players think that being touched = being fouled, but they have to "sell" that foul to get us to call it. IOW, they aren't faking something they think didn't happen, they're trying to show us something that did happen.

Normally, we consider it "faking" when there's no contact at all.

[APG]

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

Yup.

The L was so wide I don't think he had the best look possible at this.

[Rob1968]

APG, thanks for getting the video up. I still can't see anything worthy of a PC foul. Parker's arm found the defender's arm, and then the defender threw his arms up and his head back. To me, it doesn't add up to a PC foul.

[Toren]

Travel

Then no call. But I can see why the Lead called the PC...from his angle, looks like offensive player lead with elbow.

[just another ref]

I saw the play earlier and was okay with the call, but watching the whole thing from different angles and with slow motion, a no call would have been okay with me, but then you'd have to call the travel, and I'm the only one that would do that.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I saw the play earlier and was okay with the call, but watching the whole thing from different angles and with slow motion, a no call would have been okay with me, but then you'd have to call the travel, and I'm the only one that would do that.

I would have went with a travel.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I would have went with a travel.

I must agree with BNR & jar.

PS (BNR) - Are you back to work yet? Next visit to the RVA = ??

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Toren

Travel

This....

Then no call. But I can see why the Lead called the PC...from his angle, looks like offensive player lead with elbow.

The guys doing these games are all excellent officials. Maybe some of the college guys can comment on this better. It seems like officials are choosing to pass on this call more often than them just missing it.

1. Players athletic ability is such that it is hard to be 100% sure it was a travel.

2. Officiating this level of play it is more acceptable to miss a travel, than a foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by j51969

The guys doing these games are all excellent officials. Maybe some of the college guys can comment on this better. It seems like officials are choosing to pass on this call more often than them just missing it.

1. Players athletic ability is such that it is hard to be 100% sure it was a travel.

2. Officiating this level of play it is more acceptable to miss a travel, than a foul.

1. It was a travel, IMO, even before the contact.

2. I would say that is accurate.