Flop on a PC foul (Video Added)

[BryanV21]

Overselling and flopping are not the same thing. One is still a foul, and one isn't.

[Rich]

A player can oversell himself right out of a call, though. It happens.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

A player can oversell himself right out of a call, though. It happens.

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

Gotcha. For some reason I read it as if he would penalize the player for overselling by NOT making the call.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Adam

I think what Rich is saying is that sometimes a player sells it to the point where it becomes questionable about whether there was a foul. In that case, I tend to go with a no-call.

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Hmmm after seeing APGs video, I'm almost inclined to go with this ^.

Yup.

The L was so wide I don't think he had the best look possible at this.

[Rob1968]

APG, thanks for getting the video up. I still can't see anything worthy of a PC foul. Parker's arm found the defender's arm, and then the defender threw his arms up and his head back. To me, it doesn't add up to a PC foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

Read Adam's post.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Huh? If there's a problem with the overselling, then let the player and/or coach know. But if there was a foul, how can you not call it? At least if you KNOW there was a foul.

If you have to oversell what is a foul, when the contact is minimal, the official might just not call the foul.

I had a situation yesterday where a player was shooting a 3 point shot and kicked out his leg and acted like he was killed. Well his actions made me pass on the foul. Fortunately for him, my partner decide this was a foul. But without seeing the tape, I still think there was minimal contact. Often that overselling makes us think they flopped or were not fouled. That is why they can "oversell" themselves right out of a call.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Overselling and flopping are not the same thing. One is still a foul, and one isn't.

"flopping" isn't in the book.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

"flopping" isn't in the book.

Seeing as how "flopping" is merely acting like you got fouled, then there's no need for it to be in the book.

I was pointing out that the title of this thread is misleading. Or, in lawyer-speak, I suppose you could say the title of this thread is leading.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Seeing as how "flopping" is merely acting like you got fouled, then there's no need for it to be in the book.

I was pointing out that the title of this thread is misleading. Or, in lawyer-speak, I suppose you could say the title of this thread is leading.

The reason I said that is because the rule is that "faking being fouled" is a technical foul. Players often start to bail in anticipation of contact. It looks like a flop, but they're not faking being fouled. Players also can fake being fouled without flopping (the shooter who screams as if he was hit while he's airborne).

We all know what's meant by a flop, I get that, but I wanted to discern between two different acts that can look similar.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

The reason I said that is because the rule is that "faking being fouled" is a technical foul. Players often start to bail in anticipation of contact. It looks like a flop, but they're not faking being fouled. Players also can fake being fouled without flopping (the shooter who screams as if he was hit while he's airborne).

We all know what's meant by a flop, I get that, but I wanted to discern between two different acts that can look similar.

Embellishing contact that doesn't put someone at a disadvantage is also "faking being fouled" and it's rarely talked about in that context.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Embellishing contact that doesn't put someone at a disadvantage is also "faking being fouled" and it's rarely talked about in that context.

I was thinking the same thing, but I think there's a significant difference. Most players think that being touched = being fouled, but they have to "sell" that foul to get us to call it. IOW, they aren't faking something they think didn't happen, they're trying to show us something that did happen.

Normally, we consider it "faking" when there's no contact at all.